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[Oracle]

Having the Bases is an obstacle to finding a solution to the Cyprus problem...

Britain may fear a re-unified Cyprus would have more clout to remove them so clearly they do not want to see resolution ...

Also without having to constantly expend efforts with Turkey, Cyprus would have more time to pursue removal of the SBA. So again UK would not want us to kick out the Turks.

Therefore, if we concentrated on removing the SBAs first .....then they would have no reason to impede our progress with finding a solution any longer.

They may even have to woo us all over again, to be allowed some surveillance.

So in short you fully epect the TC's to trust you once the SBA's are closed down and the Turkish Troops have withdrawn?, besides Cyprus is in such an important stratigic location, can you honestly see them closing?

Well that's why it's a problem.

But not impossible to solve in the least. Personally the Turk-TCs are low down in my priority and as for the Brits ... I am beginning to wonder if they are not the first to tackle ...

What's wrong ttoli? Why are you getting worried ? Did you buy a stolen GC property?

[murf62]

Just a few comments from me after reading all the mass hysteria here:

1. There are U2 planes at Akrotiri? Wow, hot news! Anyone with a pair of eyes & ears can see they've been flying from there for ages. What I will say though is that Britian do not have any U2s. Maybe they belong to someone else? Do you really think we are bothered about spying on Cyprus? Or do you think they are here as a staging post for somewhere a bit further afield?

2. So we listen to mobile phone conversations? So does every government, we do it in our own country as well. We can block Cyprus TV transmissions? Yep, so could anyone with a powerful transmitter. Any TV station has the hardware to do this.

3. The British Bases are an obstacle to solving the Cyprus problem eh? As I recall, thye were an 'obstacle' that stopped the GCs losing a lot more real estate in 74. If the base was not there, you probably would have lost Larnaca, then god only knows what after that. The bases are now a small obstacle compared to the strong views of both TC & GCs. How about you start find a solution and stop blaming everyone but yourselves.

Remember, the RoC is now a part of the EU, as is Britain. That means we're on the SAME SIDE! How about working with us rather than blaming us for all your problems and trying to boot us out!

[ttoli]

Having the Bases is an obstacle to finding a solution to the Cyprus problem...

Britain may fear a re-unified Cyprus would have more clout to remove them so clearly they do not want to see resolution ...

Also without having to constantly expend efforts with Turkey, Cyprus would have more time to pursue removal of the SBA. So again UK would not want us to kick out the Turks.

Therefore, if we concentrated on removing the SBAs first .....then they would have no reason to impede our progress with finding a solution any longer.

They may even have to woo us all over again, to be allowed some surveillance.

So in short you fully epect the TC's to trust you once the SBA's are closed down and the Turkish Troops have withdrawn?, besides Cyprus is in such an important stratigic location, can you honestly see them closing?

Well that's why it's a problem.

But not impossible to solve in the least. Personally the Turk-TCs are low down in my priority and as for the Brits ... I am beginning to wonder if they are not the first to tackle ...

What's wrong ttoli? Why are you getting worried ? Did you buy a stolen GC property?

Again, you presume that all the land in the North is stolen, why is that?,

[Oracle]

Just a few comments from me after reading all the mass hysteria here:

1. There are U2 planes at Akrotiri? Wow, hot news! Anyone with a pair of eyes & ears can see they've been flying from there for ages. What I will say though is that Britian do not have any U2s. Maybe they belong to someone else? Do you really think we are bothered about spying on Cyprus? Or do you think they are here as a staging post for somewhere a bit further afield?

2. So we listen to mobile phone conversations? So does every government, we do it in our own country as well. We can block Cyprus TV transmissions? Yep, so could anyone with a powerful transmitter. Any TV station has the hardware to do this.

3. The British Bases are an obstacle to solving the Cyprus problem eh? As I recall, thye were an 'obstacle' that stopped the GCs losing a lot more real estate in 74. If the base was not there, you probably would have lost Larnaca, then god only knows what after that. The bases are now a small obstacle compared to the strong views of both TC & GCs. How about you start find a solution and stop blaming everyone but yourselves.

Remember, the RoC is now a part of the EU, as is Britain. That means we're on the SAME SIDE! How about working with us rather than blaming us for all your problems and trying to boot us out!

Oh so now suddenly Britain is a loyal EU ally that should be allowed, on that basis, to have free reign in Cyprus?

Well there is such a thing as reciprocating; and when may I ask has Britain actually reciprocated towards Cyprus, in helping remove the occupying forces?

They are friends with and only Turkey, when it suits them.

Now we are being emotionally blackmailed to shut up, because they are pretending they are suddenly, out of the blue, EU allies ...

[Simon]

[quote]As I recall, thye were an 'obstacle' that stopped the GCs losing a lot more real estate in 74. If the base was not there, you probably would have lost Larnaca, then god only knows what after that.[/quote/]





It was never Turkey's intention to take any more than what it did. In fact it took more than what it earlier anticipated, in order to use the extra land as a bargaining chip against GCs. Therefore, the bases did absolutely nothing in prohibiting Turkey from achieving its objective. Even a House of Commons Select Committee concluded that Britain failed in its duty to Cyprus.

[Oracle]

Britain's diminishing role in the EU and World stage ...

Four decades after President de Gaulle broke with the Nato command President Sarkozy announced France's return to the heart of the alliance - with conditions on EU defence that may unsettle Britain. Setting out a big shift in doctrine and spending yesterday, France's most pro-Atlanticist President said that nothing prevented a return to the integrated command from which de Gaulle withdrew in 1966 in dispute with the United States. "In Europe, nearly all our partners are members of the alliance....

[Nikitas]

Purdey wrote:

"Nikitas, please were do the French (at the moment) come into the equation. There army is vastly reduced, there equipment is not in working order, and they have little or no interest in any security operation that could lead to any conflict."

Where does all of the above come from?

Last I looked France was a major arms manufacturer, their missile systems and planes being among the most advanced in the world. They also have a bilateral agreement with Cyprus and access to the Paphos naval base. They are also among the most active forces in Africa where they are more willing than most to send troops and get involved in local conflicts.

[roseandchan]

i can see that you would like the british bases to go. now i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong. ottomans give cyprus to the british. british give you self rule. did they ever give you the bases? so how come you think its yours and you should get it back? was it ever yours? as part of the e.u i don't think you need them but i don't think they will leave either, at least until there is a solution and it is proven to be working. as for helping turkey out, i can't see it.

[DT.]

i can see that you would like the british bases to go. now i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong. ottomans give cyprus to the british. british give you self rule. did they ever give you the bases? so how come you think its yours and you should get it back? was it ever yours? as part of the e.u i don't think you need them but i don't think they will leave either, at least until there is a solution and it is proven to be working. as for helping turkey out, i can't see it.

By the same logic if the English retained Mumbai it would be ok since it never belonged to the Indians. You need to learn the difference between being once colonised and that colonial power having an eternal claim on your land.

[purdey]

Nikitas, I believe it came from their own government, it was widely touted a few weeks ago by International media.

Source Telegraph.co.uk 6th June 2008.