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[Piratis]

People that gave their lives fighting against the British colonialists might be fake for you, but not for us. Such heros exists in every country that fought against colonialists. Unfortunately these colonialists managed to turn a small minority against the majority of this island tho serve their interests and this is one of the main reasons why the Cyprus problem exists today.

About the rest of your points I agree. But maybe we should get more specific because I suspect we might disagree on the details.

What are the lies?
Who have washed and poisoned brains?
Who has wrong ambitions and what are these ambitions?
Who has one sided and self-interested dreams and what are those dreams?

Generalizations lead nowhere. Get specific.

[insan]

How many countries have fought to annex their country to another country? You name a fascist annexation gang fight as a heroic liberation movement?

Have you ever heard of any liberation fight that heroes shouted union with their motherlands...?


You're brain seems to me that washed many times not once...

[insan]

We will work for a plan that can be acceptable for both sides. I am sure this plan can be better than partition for TC also.

You will... and you are sure... of coarse..

But don't get us to wait for another 40 years just for nothing but more lies...

[Piratis]

What are you talking about? Before 1960 we didn't had a country. We we are just an island.
Have you ever heard of Crete, Rhodes, and 100s of Greek islands?
Lets not forget that 78% of the population of this island are Greeks and that we existed on this place for more that 3 millenniums.

Those people that fought against the British (not the ones that fought against the legal government of Cyprus after 1960) are heros, either you like it or not.

[Piratis]

fascists are those that do not respect the will of the majority and enforce their ideas in a non democratic way.

[insan]

What are you talking about? Before 1960 we didn't had a country

Being under the rule of British doesn't mean that Cypriots hadn't a country. We hadn't a state that's true... Brits proposed us a self-government with non self-determination right , in 1948. GC frontmen rejected it just because it didn't allow annexation with Greece...

If the self-government proposal of Britain had been accepted soon we could demand independancy of Cyprus and then we might establish bi-communal unitary Republic of Cyprus without any fascist gang fight....


But GC fascist frontmen kept insisting on Enosis because %75 of the Cyprus population were GCs. would you like the TCs and Turkey had accepted Enosis pre 1960?


TCs and Turkey didn't accept Enosis naturally... They were right...

Then a good solution had been found with collaboration of four Nato allies and leaders of 2 communites... They all put their signs under the 60s treaties voluntarily though both parties fascist gangs still had been thinking such things as "GCs and TCs can't live together, Cyprus belongs to Greece, Cyprus belongs to Turkey, GCs and Greeks will kick out all of the TCs out of Cyprus, TCs and Turkey will conquer Cyprus again... etc, etc , etc..)


They poisoned whole Cypriots brains with their racists, fascist ideas... They threatened and terrorized whole Cypriots to obbey their orders.

There were so many bold journalists, lawyers and intellectuals who struggled against those fascist gangs with their brains but they either had been killed or quitened...


But they won't be able to commit the same crimes under the law of EU anymore... And all Cypriots will learn the truths soon... No doubt...

[Piratis]

TCs and Turkey didn't accept Enosis naturally... They were right...

Why they were right? GC are the majority, why TC were right? Who decides what is wrong and what is right? If you don't like democracy then just say it clearly.

And all Cypriots will learn the truths soon

I know the truths. I hope you know the truths too. Not only "one sided" truths, but also the truths about the killing of inocents and the rapes by the Turkish army, about the TMT etc.

But when we come back to today, who is the one who has racist ideas? We say that we can live in one united federal Cyprus, you say that the separation should be as much as possible.
The Annan plan would create a loose confederation, or even "loose association" as reuters calls it.

Lets not stick in the past, because we can argue and fight for ages and gain nothing.

If you truly want to live together in a truly united federal and independent Cyprus then we can talk.

Otherwise there is nothing to talk about and we will just continue to harm each other for another 500 years.

[metecyp]

Why they were right? GC are the majority, why TC were right? Who decides what is wrong and what is right? If you don't like democracy then just say it clearly.

This is not going to take us anywhere. The fact is both Enosis and Taksim are dead, and future of Cyprus is united in one form or another whether we like it or not. So let's talk about that, instead of wasting time for "I was right, you were wrong" type of arguments.

[Piratis]

This is not going to take us anywhere. The fact is both Enosis and Taksim are dead, and future of Cyprus is united in one form or another whether we like it or not. So let's talk about that, instead of wasting time for "I was right, you were wrong" type of arguments.

We agree (finally!!). We are all human beings with common interests on this island. We know the history, we learned from it, and now we should move ahead without trying to throw blames one to another.

I hope the UK will let us do that. If they see that we can come to an agreement by ourselves I believe they will feel that their interests are threatened and I don't know how they will react.

[insan]

so mete... you mean there's no need for history books cause all that happened in the past and must be forgotten... What you gonna tell your children if one day they ask you whether TCs had to accept Enosis or not pre 60s or after 60s?


I'm sure piratis would say GCs are the majority... majority rules so TCs had to accept not only Enosis but everything the GCs(majority) "democraticaly" enforced them... Later they may claim that we came to Cyprus in 1571 and have no right to live in Cyprus anymore... They will "democratically" oppress, abuse and frustrate us to abandon Cyprus... who knows how many more "AKRITAS PLANS" they have in their reserves....


OHHH!!! WHAT A GREAT DEMOCRASY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT????