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[Cem]

Half a million casualties in the Greek civil war !
Well, then compared to their casualties, Cyprus could still get away slightly better..
Hope the fascists never come back to power neither here, nor in Greece nor in Turkey...
As for the first two, now that they are both EU members I suppose the last remnants must have been eradicated by now..
As for Turkey, I am afraid Islamic fundamentalism superseding ultra-nationalism will prove to be worse particularly for Christians.
Still, here on the other hand, some outbursts of misdeeds by Hrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) thugs is disturbing me..
Ditto for gray wolves in the north, however since almost all are exclusively imports from Turkey, this area will be less infected following the solution of Cyprus problem.

[repulsewarrior]

welcome Cem.

[Oracle]

Half a million casualties in the Greek civil war !
Well, then compared to their casualties, Cyprus could still get away slightly better..
Hope the fascists never come back to power neither here, nor in Greece nor in Turkey...
As for the first two, now that they are both EU members I suppose the last remnants must have been eradicated by now..
As for Turkey, I am afraid Islamic fundamentalism superseding ultra-nationalism will prove to be worse particularly for Christians.
Still, here on the other hand, some outbursts of misdeeds by Hrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) thugs is disturbing me..
Ditto for gray wolves in the north, however since almost all are exclusively imports from Turkey, this area will be less infected following the solution of Cyprus problem.

There are no Hrysi Avgi dealings .... you are fundamentally flawed.

[Nikitas]

Oracle,

Last week a small group of Chrysi Avgi members, about ten of them, went to the Prespes area of Greece to block the peole coming from Skopje to a local fair. So they are around, at least in Greece, but not in large enough numbers to cause concern.

[Cem]

The reason why I am concerned particularly with Hrysi Avgi is that especially during the days in the aftermath of a solution, they might engage in provocative acts in the north.
For instance, they might exploit and abuse the moods of the supporters during the football matches such as those of APOEL and together make a crusade against the "enemy" in the north.
If by that time, they ever cross equally fanatical turkish settlers there who are in the process of moving out but not have done so yet, then...
you see what I mean ??

[denizaksulu]

Cem asked:

"Could you elaborate your latter sentence pls ? I mean, could you explain in details as to how Greece treated GCs ?
Just out of curiosity..."

Greece, like Turkey, saw Cyprus as territory to be gained without much risk. This policy was discussed in some detail in a major debate in the Greek parliament some years ago. I listened fascinated at how the policy of the 1960s government was in fact a policy of a takeover of the island. It was risk free of course because if it did not work out then Greece would not be risking any of its own territory.

Then came the dictatorship which accepted partition and double union. For corroboration see the speeches of dictator Papadopoulos re a woman having two lovers etc which is how he saw Cyprus.

During the dictatorship the Cyprus National Guard was officered by mainland Greek officers who were rabid anticommunists. They divided the population into "nationally minded" and the rest. They recruited spies among the soldiers and had them spy on their villages and report on who was a nationalist and who was not.

And then we got the coup and the rest is pretty well known in this forum.

Greek Cypriots were treated as some kind of semi Greek of a lower order. The mainlanders could not understand that Cyprus had not had a civil war, therefore did not have the anticommunist spychosis of Greece. THey also overlooked the fact that Cyprus had a modern administration system and had accomplished economically more in ten years than Greece had in 130.

This is how Cypriots were treated. Luckily GCs fought back during the coup, Makarios survived and returned to the island and GCs managed to rebound economically even with one third of their number as refugees, and with severe loss of resources. No one starved, no children were sent abroad for adoption, as happened in Greece after the civil war and is happening in Eastern Europe today. Society held together and Cyprus joined the EU after meeting or exceeding all EU standards. And if you read between the lines of Greek papers you can see some resentment for this success.

Nikitas, I noted that you say,

" This is how Cypriots were treated. [color=red]Luckily GCs fought back during the coup, Makarios survived and returned to the island and GCs managed to rebound economically even with one third of their number as refugees, and with severe loss of resources.

I have noticed that no mention of Turkeys 'intervention' here. Are you suggesting that without the intervention, the GCs would have defeated the 'Coupists?'.

[Nikitas]

Deniz asked:

"Are you suggesting that without the intervention, the GCs would have defeated the 'Coupists?'."

I am not suggesting it. I am sure of it. Two hundred EOKA boys held 35 000 British at bay for four years. Thousands of well armed Cypriots with a large popular support base would have made monkeys of the coupists in a few weeks. I have first hand knowledge of preparations made to fight back. And it was not anything tame like blwoing up a car or cutting electricity cables either. There are TCs who know too, find them and ask them. They were involved too.

[Nikitas]

Cem,

Chysi Avgi just does not have the popular support to cause trouble. They can cause impressions if the media give them the time and space to do so. When it comes to the test, like in elections they get a sprinkling of votes, if memory serves in Greece they got 6000 votes last time, from a total of 6.5 million votes cast in total. Times have changed, there is no room for these movements in a globalised arena.

[humanist]

Deniz, we have a resnable understanding ad resect for one another as I gather from our posts. However to call Turkey's invasion of Cyprus as intervention I fnd that a bit difficult to accept given that my mother's 17 year old brother was killed by Turkish troops as was his cousin.

That is not to make anything less than the fears that were felt by the Turkish speaking community of Cyprus at the time.

[Oracle]

The reason why I am concerned particularly with Hrysi Avgi is that especially during the days in the aftermath of a solution, they might engage in provocative acts in the north.
For instance, they might exploit and abuse the moods of the supporters during the football matches such as those of APOEL and together make a crusade against the "enemy" in the north.
If by that time, they ever cross equally fanatical turkish settlers there who are in the process of moving out but not have done so yet, then...
you see what I mean ??

Your concerns for Hrysi Avgi are unfounded ... they do not exist in Cyprus .. Nikitas mentioned a minor incident in Greece ... but in Cyprus they have ZERO representation .

Greece and Cyprus are mutual EU partners these days .... not much more ....