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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:15 pm

Talisker wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Talisker wrote:
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Talisker wrote:Getting back on topic, is there a distinct Turkish Cypriot culture? And for that matter a distinct Greek Cypriot culture? Using the following linear scale where would TCs and GCs score?

0-------------------10--------------------20--------------------30
........................Turk.....................Greek.......................



Talsker, your scale needs more definitions on the x-axis. You need a scientist to re-draw your graph. Ask the Oracle. :lol:

.......0-------------------10--------------------20--------------------30
Aborigine/................Turk.....................Greek...................Aborigine/
..Eskimo............................................................................Eskimo

X-axis OK for you now Deniz? Do we need a Y? :?



Its your idea, you can develope it, but we have no aboriginals in Cyprus. We once had GR who was the closest, but he is ducking and diving somewhere. :lol:

C'mon Deniz, you're being deliberately obtuse now. The next thing you'll be telling me is there are no Eskimos in Cyprus either.......... :lol:



I've seen igloos so there must be eskimo's. :wink:
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Postby Talisker » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:21 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Talisker wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Talisker wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Talisker wrote:Getting back on topic, is there a distinct Turkish Cypriot culture? And for that matter a distinct Greek Cypriot culture? Using the following linear scale where would TCs and GCs score?

0-------------------10--------------------20--------------------30
........................Turk.....................Greek.......................



Talsker, your scale needs more definitions on the x-axis. You need a scientist to re-draw your graph. Ask the Oracle. :lol:

.......0-------------------10--------------------20--------------------30
Aborigine/................Turk.....................Greek...................Aborigine/
..Eskimo............................................................................Eskimo

X-axis OK for you now Deniz? Do we need a Y? :?



Its your idea, you can develope it, but we have no aboriginals in Cyprus. We once had GR who was the closest, but he is ducking and diving somewhere. :lol:

C'mon Deniz, you're being deliberately obtuse now. The next thing you'll be telling me is there are no Eskimos in Cyprus either.......... :lol:



I've seen igloos so there must be eskimo's. :wink:


OK, master diversionist, TCs - where on the 0-30 scale please?
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Postby miltiades » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:18 am

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Oracle wrote:Let's face it the TCs are no different to the Turks. :roll:

They are like "cultural" sponges absorbing customs from those around them, those whom they have invaded and enslaved. Whilst at the same time attempting to erase the source of their newly acquired customs.

I did a thread once to find out what can be uniquely attributed to TCs or even Turks ... and we got a big fat zilch.

There is no distinct TC culture .... do not get too above yourselves .

The TCs acquired what they wanted from the GCs, but managed to remain removed, detached, by virtue of their ugly language. :D

How about that !! How does one define an "ugly language !!!!
You are forgetting of course the Turkish Cypriot culture that is very similar to ours, after all they are Cypriots too !!


Enough platitudes. You have your opinion and I have mine :D

I wonder if it sounds as ugly to Turks, as it does to foreigners. :?

Of course their National Pride, as defined by Kemal, would have them rushing to its defence .... :roll:

The only time that trivialities entertain me is when having a good alcoholic time and my granddaughter insists that I tell her a story !!

Not being a Turk I would not know the detrimental to the ear effects of the Turkish language ,but I would most certainly recognise the pulsating
coincidental reverberations of a G/C making a speech in Turkish while at the same time practising " orchedectomia " against the T/Cs, in his mind or HER mind !!
Will be having some of that Friday evening !!
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Postby Brittania » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:06 am

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Brittania wrote::? Whats the difference between the 2 types of turks? Didn't most of them come to the island in 74 anyway? It wasn't that long ago. :roll:


what an ignorant idiot you are.


Why am I an ignorant idiot? I'm sorry if I offended you perhaps I didn't word it right and I know how you arabic folk can get insulted quite easily. I had an issue once in Morroco with this flea market guy and whatever I said must have really pissed him off. Ever since then I've actually learnt to respect the culture of arabs and bedouins etc cause they get insulted easily.

When did the turks make it all the way to cyprus?
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Postby halil » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:18 am

THE FIRST CLUBS IN THE TURKISH CYPRIOT COMMUNITY
writer :Ahmet An
There are limited number of resources about the past history of the Turkish Cypriot community other than the old Turkish Cypriot newspapers.
FIRST NICOSIA TURKISH FOOTBALL CLUB
After the British came to Cyprus in 1878, football was started to be played in the schools and the first football team was formed in 1902 at the Idadi (Moslem Secondary School) by Mr.Thompson, a teacher of English language and the first T/C footbal club was established in 1910 under the name of “Lefkosa Turk Futbol Ocagi” (Nicosia Turkish Football Hearth). This first Turkish Cypriot football club had members of Turkish Cypriot secondary school students, the policemen and the civil servants with the support of the respected personalities like Ahmet Raik Bey and advocate Ahmet Djemal Efendi who were members of the “Hurriyet Kulubu”.
(This footbal club was closed in 1922 and the same football players formed the “Lefkosa Türk Spor Kulubu” (Nicosia Turkish Sport Club), which was one of the co-founders of the Cyprus Footbal Federation (KOP) in 1934 and the only T/C club which was represented in the First League of Cyprus. It merged later with Cetinkaya Turkish Sport Club in 1949 to establish today’s “Cetinkaya Turk Spor Birliği”.)
In the old says, the football clubs used to stage theatre-plays. For example the “Soz” newspaper of 3 February 1937 (No.1130) reports that the Nicosia Turkish Sport Club was preparing for a performance during the Kurban Bairam, the play “The Forgotten Man” under the directorship of advocate Fadil Korkut. The same football club staged the play “Venetian Merchant” in February 1938 in the Papadopullos Cinema.
The only Turkish Cypriot theatre hall in Nicosia which was built by Belig Pasha in 1920 was closed after a while, because it was not built according the official regulations. The Soz newspaper of 22 January 1938 (No.1119) urged Behiye Hanım, the daughter of Belig Pasha, to renovate this cinema which in fact she did in the same year and this Belig Pasha Cinema was used by the Turkish Cypriot for cultural and social meetings until 1953 when it was destroyed by a fire.
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Postby halil » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:20 am

“BİRLİK OCAĞI”
We continue with the account of Fadil Bey from the Birlik newspaper. He writes that the activities of the “Hurriyet ve Terakki Kulubu” came to an end with the onset of the First World War in 1914. Gambling started there and it turned into a bar, after getting permission to sell alcohol.
When Fadil Bey came from Istanbul at the end of 1922, the club was almost inactive in a building in the back street of the post-office. The social clubs in Nicosia were more than enough and he proposed the merger of “Hurriyet ve Terakki Kulubu” with the “Turk Dernegi”, but the members of the “Turk Dernegi” rejected it. The club as a social institution should be re-structured and turned into an association which would serve to the benefit of the country under the slogan of “for the people”. The club moved into the big coffee-house at the Asmaalti Square. Some changes were made in its constitution and it turned into a philantropic institution, away from internal and external politics. The name of “Ittihat ve Terakki Kulubu” was changed into “Birlik Ocağı” (Unity Hearth) on 1 November 1923.
Fadil Bey was elected as its first secretary. The tradition of the previous club for staging theatre-plays started again. The first theatre-play was staged on 27 July 1923 for the benefit of the Charity Fund of the Club in the open-air cinema, where the post-office is today and the play was called “Yavuklunun mendili” (Handkerchief of the lover), written by Fadil Bey, The same play was staged later by the Limassolian youth. The hall of the new building was suitable for small scaled evening programmes and some short plays were staged there. After the club changed its name into Hearth, the play called “Sultan Djem” was staged on 1 February 1924. Three conferences were given during the month of Ramadan and an exhibition of national industry was organized. 15 pounds were lended to a ironmonger and a student was sent to Istanbul for learning a skilled job.
The other important activity of the “Birlik Ocağı” was to publish a newspaper under the name of “Birlik” (Unity) for propagating the aims of the Hearth. When the “Birlik” newspaper was published its first issue on 4 January 1924, the Lausanne Agreement was already signed which gave the Turkish Cypriots the right to keep their Turkish citizenship. Mehmet Remzi’s Soz newspaper was campaigning for a mass emigration to Turkey, whereas Birlik published a series of articles by Fadil Bey and Osman Nuri Bey against this so-called “national cause”. The Birlik newspaper was for a while the mouthpiece of the “Birlik Ocağı”, but later its administration was handed over to Hadji Bulgurzade Ahmet Hulusi Efendi.
The theatre branch of the “Birlik Ocagı” was most successful after the Hearth was moved to Sarayonu Square (upper part of the Vatan Pharmacy), performing the Turkish theatre play “Akin” and the Shakespeare classics “Venetian Merchant” and “Othello”, all directed by Fadil Bey. In one occasion, he was congratulated by the British governor Storrs that the performance was successful.”
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Postby roseandchan » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:38 am

we have friends who are turkish and friends who are turkish cypriot. i think that there is a big difference between them. looks, language,manners, and also attitude to life in general. i also see differences between turkish and kurdish friends.
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Postby Brittania » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:42 am

halil wrote:THE FIRST CLUBS IN THE TURKISH CYPRIOT COMMUNITY
writer :Ahmet An
There are limited number of resources about the past history of the Turkish Cypriot community other than the old Turkish Cypriot newspapers.
FIRST NICOSIA TURKISH FOOTBALL CLUB
After the British came to Cyprus in 1878, football was started to be played in the schools and the first football team was formed in 1902 at the Idadi (Moslem Secondary School) by Mr.Thompson, a teacher of English language and the first T/C footbal club was established in 1910 under the name of “Lefkosa Turk Futbol Ocagi” (Nicosia Turkish Football Hearth). This first Turkish Cypriot football club had members of Turkish Cypriot secondary school students, the policemen and the civil servants with the support of the respected personalities like Ahmet Raik Bey and advocate Ahmet Djemal Efendi who were members of the “Hurriyet Kulubu”.
(This footbal club was closed in 1922 and the same football players formed the “Lefkosa Türk Spor Kulubu” (Nicosia Turkish Sport Club), which was one of the co-founders of the Cyprus Footbal Federation (KOP) in 1934 and the only T/C club which was represented in the First League of Cyprus. It merged later with Cetinkaya Turkish Sport Club in 1949 to establish today’s “Cetinkaya Turk Spor Birliği”.)
In the old says, the football clubs used to stage theatre-plays. For example the “Soz” newspaper of 3 February 1937 (No.1130) reports that the Nicosia Turkish Sport Club was preparing for a performance during the Kurban Bairam, the play “The Forgotten Man” under the directorship of advocate Fadil Korkut. The same football club staged the play “Venetian Merchant” in February 1938 in the Papadopullos Cinema.
The only Turkish Cypriot theatre hall in Nicosia which was built by Belig Pasha in 1920 was closed after a while, because it was not built according the official regulations. The Soz newspaper of 22 January 1938 (No.1119) urged Behiye Hanım, the daughter of Belig Pasha, to renovate this cinema which in fact she did in the same year and this Belig Pasha Cinema was used by the Turkish Cypriot for cultural and social meetings until 1953 when it was destroyed by a fire.


Ok so we're looking at around 1900's when the turks got to the island?
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:50 am

Brittania wrote:
halil wrote:THE FIRST CLUBS IN THE TURKISH CYPRIOT COMMUNITY
writer :Ahmet An
There are limited number of resources about the past history of the Turkish Cypriot community other than the old Turkish Cypriot newspapers.
FIRST NICOSIA TURKISH FOOTBALL CLUB
After the British came to Cyprus in 1878, football was started to be played in the schools and the first football team was formed in 1902 at the Idadi (Moslem Secondary School) by Mr.Thompson, a teacher of English language and the first T/C footbal club was established in 1910 under the name of “Lefkosa Turk Futbol Ocagi” (Nicosia Turkish Football Hearth). This first Turkish Cypriot football club had members of Turkish Cypriot secondary school students, the policemen and the civil servants with the support of the respected personalities like Ahmet Raik Bey and advocate Ahmet Djemal Efendi who were members of the “Hurriyet Kulubu”.
(This footbal club was closed in 1922 and the same football players formed the “Lefkosa Türk Spor Kulubu” (Nicosia Turkish Sport Club), which was one of the co-founders of the Cyprus Footbal Federation (KOP) in 1934 and the only T/C club which was represented in the First League of Cyprus. It merged later with Cetinkaya Turkish Sport Club in 1949 to establish today’s “Cetinkaya Turk Spor Birliği”.)
In the old says, the football clubs used to stage theatre-plays. For example the “Soz” newspaper of 3 February 1937 (No.1130) reports that the Nicosia Turkish Sport Club was preparing for a performance during the Kurban Bairam, the play “The Forgotten Man” under the directorship of advocate Fadil Korkut. The same football club staged the play “Venetian Merchant” in February 1938 in the Papadopullos Cinema.
The only Turkish Cypriot theatre hall in Nicosia which was built by Belig Pasha in 1920 was closed after a while, because it was not built according the official regulations. The Soz newspaper of 22 January 1938 (No.1119) urged Behiye Hanım, the daughter of Belig Pasha, to renovate this cinema which in fact she did in the same year and this Belig Pasha Cinema was used by the Turkish Cypriot for cultural and social meetings until 1953 when it was destroyed by a fire.


Ok so we're looking at around 1900's when the turks got to the island?



You could have asked or looked at GR's Avatar. But he is sadly departed :wink:

Officially 1571. Unofficially, as slaves/plunder brought to Cyprus by Cypriote and other Christian pirates prior to 1571. From incessant raids on the Turkish mainland. They needed to enrich their genetic pool, so to speak. :lol:
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Postby halil » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:52 am

we are talking calture !

to understand TC's calture below boring readings might also help . (by Ahmet An)

after this writing i am planing to write about eating , dresses , wedding and life , houses constructions of the TC's . I will try to compare them with GC's culture too .My sources will be elderly TC's .


“BİRLİK OCAGI” TURNS INTO “KARDESH OCAGI”
On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the British occupation of the island on 9 July 1928, there was a campaign to make celebrations, but the T/C were against it, because the Ottoman flag was pulled down on that day. Advocate Fadil Niyazi, Dr.Pertev, Necmi Avkiran and Shevket Bahcheli were members of the Nicosia Municipal Council and they published a statement protesting against the Governor Storrs’ campaign that the Turkish Cypriots should mourn, instead of celebrating the day.
Mr.Storrs phoned Munir Bey, the Turkish Cypriot delegate of Evkaf and later a great majority of the Turkish Cypriot civil servants were forced to resign from the “Birlik Ocagı”, which had Fadil Bey as its President. Only a few free professionals and 20-30 shop-keepers were left and they wanted to change the name of the hearth and have a new President. Fadil Bey resigned from the presidency and the name was changed into “Kardesh Ocagı” (Brother’s Hearth) in January 1931.
Fadil Bey comments that maybe Mr.Storrrs had understood a secret meaning of “Unity”! Misirlizade Mehmet Nedjati was already active in politics and he collected signatures on a paper from the people who were against the statement of the Turkish Cypriot councillors. Who adviced this to him was not known, but after a while he was confronted with Mr.Storrs in the elections of 1930.

THE CYPRUS BRANCH OF “ITTIHAT VE TERAKKI CEMIYETI”
Zihni Imamzade gives us the following information about the activities of the “Ittihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti” (ITC) (Unity and Progress Association) of the Ottoman Empire in Cyprus: “The first activity on the island was the inauguration of the “Ittihat ve Terakki Kulubu” (The Unity and Progress Club) in 1909 in Paphos. Djemal Has Bey, originally a native of Paphos who emigrated to Istanbul when he was young and who was a Financial Inspector in Istanbul, kept his contact with his friends back in Paphos and registered his fellow townsmen to this organization when they came to Istanbul for higher education. He helped the university students to establish a branch of the Association in Paphos with the support of the pro-ITC teachers.
Among the founders of the club, which started its activities in 1909 in Paphos in a room on the second floor of a shop of a G/C, named Yerui, were Hafuz Ramadan, Dr.Eyyup Necmeddin and advocate Hulus Bey who later became a judge. The Paphos Club had 27 official members and in the Scala branch, the Kenan brothers, Orundalizade and a lot of other personalities from Tuzla were members. Among the members of the Club opened in Nicosia were Advocate Hafiz Djemal, Shevki Bey from Famagusta, Hasan Hamit, Huseyin Bey, Fadil Korkut and Raik Bey.
Ahmet Raik Bey, brother of Fadil Bey and one of the founders of the Nicosia Terakki Club, spoke on a literary evening on 21 August 1909, citing the constitution of the club which said: “The reason why we established this club under the name of Progress was to work for the enlightenment of our community by publishing and disseminating the progressive ideas.”
According to Imamzade, one of the objectives of the ITC was to prepare rebellions and revolts on the lost Ottoman territories and to make a policy of regaining these territories back to the Ottoman Empire. The education of cadres and disseminating them among the old subjects of the empire were their aim. That’s why the teachers, who were ITC members, were sent to Cyprus from Turkey to teach at the only Turkish Cypriot secondary school in Nicosia.
Among them who were head-masters of the Lycee, were Semsettin Gunaltay (from 1907 to 1909 in Cyprus, who later became Prime Minister of Turkey), Mucteba Oktem (1912-1924), Hikmet Ertaylan, Shevket Sureyya Aytach and Kazim Nami Duru (1925-1928, who one of the founders of the Ottoman Freedom Association established in Tsalonika in September 1906).
These educators were using the same Anatolian cirricula used in the Ottoman Empire in the Turkish Cypriot schools in Cyprus. They were able to bring books from Turkey even during the First World War.
W.W.Weir, who made a research on the history of education in Cyprus, writes that as he learned in an interview with Muderris M.Hulusi of Larnaca, “some rebels escaped before the revolution of 1909 to Cyprus where they could easily disseminate their reformist ideas to the people in a more secure atmosphere under the British Administration. One of these men became a teacher in Cyprus and at the end of the year, he was expelled together with his friends by the conservative pro-British Mohammedans.”
Imamzade gives this example of Shemsettin Gunaltay who came to Cyprus as a teacher in 1901 and organized the Turkish Cypriots in the branches of the ITC in Cyprus. But he was caught and expelled from Cyprus by the British Colonial Administration. He also tells that according to the British Law of Education from 1905, the elementary school teachers were recruited from Cyprus and the secondary school teachers were brought to Cyprus through the Ministry of Education of Turkey. They had to be members of ITC and supporters of the “Turk Ocağı” (Turkish Hearth).
The other Turkish Cypriot newspapers which were supporting the policy of ITC after the revolution of 1908 were Sunuhat (1906-1912) and Seyf (1912-1914).
Milyalizade M.Zeki whose father was a T/C Young Turk, Milyali Ahmet Lutfu, gives us some names of mainland Young Turks who had been in Cyprus: Serezli Hoca Muhiddin, Captain Saffet, Dr. Behaeddin, Dr. Galip, Vizeli Hoca Riza, Poet Eshref from Izmir, Dr. Nihat Reshat and many other Turkish intellectuals. Those who were local supporters were his brother Pharmacist Asim, Ahmet Remzi, Hafiz Mulazim, Akçali Raif, Jon Rifat and many others.
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