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discussion of the difference between mainland turks and 'us'

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Postby insan » Fri May 06, 2005 5:18 pm

turkkan wrote:Insan,
The Cyprus born children of settlers don't form friend groups with other Cyprus born children of settlers. There's no such groupings in social, cultural and political areas either. Settler formed political parties have never got %3-%5 of the votes of some settlers.



Thank you, I know and agree with the above. So in a way we can conclude that our culture since 74 has moved towards theres and theres towards ours. A very natural phenomenon considering the number of settlers we have here. Now the question here is, is there anything wrong with this? I personally, think there isnt it, just as there isnt anything wrong with learning at school traditional turkish folk dances. Yet some leftist groups continously harrass the goverment with complaints about this. The other day Yiannaris on television was stating how his 'turkish cypriot' friends were comlaining that they were being 'forced' to learn turkish folk dances at school. Are we not allowed to learn our traditions and be taught our heritage? Just because we have our own specific ones it does not in any way mean we cant learn those of turkeys also or be accused of doing so. Do you beleive that you would have any trouble or difficulty living in turkey socially? Now again let me ask you would you have any trouble living in the south? THese questions all beg answers as the assertment that in cyprus there is 'one community and two different religions' is absolute nonsense. We are two distinct communities.

Now lets move to my second question, what are our main similiarities with the greek cypriots? Insan perhaps you could give your thoughts on that.



First of all, learning folk dances is not compulsory in schools. How could the students be forced to learn Turkish folk dances? I like traditional folk dances of all countries. And I believe that those who have interest in folk dances of their own country also have great interest for the folk dances of other countries and learnin the others don't bother them.

I have been living in Istanbul for 18 years. In my younger years, I was very happy in Istanbul but now I'm 36 and missed my countrie's silent life. Socially I have perfect harmony with my Turkish, Greek and Armenian friends and neighbours here in Istanbul.

The only problem that will affect my social life in south would be the lingual difficulties; I'm sure. I exerted great effort to find a suitable job myself in South and live there despite I have lingual difficulties at a great extent. However I failed to find a suitable job. I also failed to build close relationships with the Greek Cypriots I met and wished I had have close relationships.

There are many similarities between two communities but the lingual difficulties almost make it impossible them to come closer and built genuine relationships. The similarities of two communities are much weaker than the differences between the two communities. The differences reveal itself, particularly in politics and interests of these different political groups.

For instance, the North Koreans and South Koreans have much more in common than South Cypriots and North Cypriots but due to divergence of political opinion; they are still divided despite Korea's population is one of the most ethnically and linguistically homogeneous in the world.
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Re: discussion of the difference between mainland turks and

Postby turkcyp » Fri May 06, 2005 6:36 pm

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Postby insan » Fri May 06, 2005 6:51 pm

turkkan wrote:'Do you disagree with that there are such people in every society. I only tried to draw a complete picture about this issue in a wider perspective instead of a overgeneralizing, superficial one.'

You forgot to add romantics in that list.


Romantics? In a political sense this qualification used to use to define the utopian leftists. Though I couldn't quite understand what exactly you are trying to imply with classifying romantics as a seperate social or political group.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 06, 2005 7:54 pm

Insan wrote:For instance, the North Koreans and South Koreans have much more in common than South Cypriots and North Cypriots but due to divergence of political opinion; they are still divided despite Korea's population is one of the most ethnically and linguistically homogeneous in the world.


Who are the north and south Cypriots? I am a gs Cypriot who was born in the north but had in 1974 been expelled by the Turkish army and now live in the south. What should I call my self, a south Cypriot or a north Cypriot?
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Postby Piratis » Fri May 06, 2005 7:54 pm

From a GC point of view it does not matter much on how similar or dissimilar TCs and Turks are. This is something TCs and Turks know better. After all we are all people from the same region, we are all the same into some degree.

For us what is important is that we share this island with the TCs only. Maybe the neighbor is just like your brother, but this doesn't mean this neighbor can have any claims over your own home because of this similarity.

So the TCs and Turks can be as similar or dissimilar as they want to be, but this island belongs to Cypriots, and the rest (including Turks) are foreigners that if they want to live here should pass from the standard legal procedures.
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Postby Piratis » Fri May 06, 2005 7:57 pm

What should I call my self, a south Cypriot or a north Cypriot?


If there are "north Cypriots" then you are a north Cypriot. And the majority of "noth Cypriots" are GCs.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 06, 2005 8:00 pm

Piratis wrote:
What should I call my self, a south Cypriot or a north Cypriot?


If there are "north Cypriots" then you are a north Cypriot. And the majority of "noth Cypriots" are GCs.


Cyprus is one and only one and indivisible. It belongs equally to all its people, the Cypriots. There is only one people in Cyprus, the Cypriots. Among others, there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There is no Turkish and no Greek Cyprus. Those who do not feel Cypriots and instead they claim to be Greeks or GreekCypriots or Turks or TurkishCypriots can as well live the country because this country belongs only to the Cypriots.

There are no such terms like GC and TC. There are only greek speaking (gs) Cypriots and turkish speaking (ts) Cypriots.
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Postby Kifeas » Fri May 06, 2005 8:12 pm

turkcyp wrote:
Kifeas wrote:There are no such terms like GC and TC. There are only greek speaking (gs) Cypriots and turkish speaking (ts) Cypriots.


Sounds to much like,

There are no Turkish minority in Greece. There are christian Greeks and there are Muslim Greeks...

LOL.....


A better example!
There is no Kurdish minority in Turkey but only Turkish Citizens or mountain Turks. :P :P :P :P :P
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