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[Oracle]

Your summer-cold medication is making you hallucinate again ...


Please stay off politics until ......

[pantheman]

What a silly anorgasmic female!

I would rather her anyday than you, you piece of shit!

[Kikapu]

Talat, on a number of occasions, has said that he is not interested in virgin birth. He was venomously attacked by the right in both Cyprus and Turkey and we have to support him as much as we can, rather than call him a puppet. Remember, if there is no solution by next year at the latest, Talat will most likely lose the elections and we will be talking with Ertogruroglu.

We can not have the ideal conditions we want but we should be able to make the best with the existing state of affairs, which can not get better after Talat has gone. It will be to our detriment if we do not.

I think Simon should understand that Greek Cypriots will never agree to partition and if some are getting friendly with the idea this is basically because of the brainwashing of Papadopoulos.

Remember also that the Turkish army were on stand by in case the Annan Plan got through to bring Erdogan down and nullify the plan which they considered as disastrous for the “TRNC” and Turkey. Denktash and Eroglu together with the deep state in Turkey fought hard to prevent solution in 2004 and only reverted to plan B when Papadopoulos told them straight that he would reject the plan.

I have said on many occasions that the Annan plan left things to be desired and it could have been negotiated to a better end. Yet, because life is about options, we should have accepted it because what is installed for us could be very painful, unless of course, like the Archbishop and his fanatical right wing friends, one thinks that partition is not to be a worrying development.

Hi Bananiot,

I hope your school break is going well. You said how stressful teaching is and that getting 3 months holiday was justified. I have to say I agree with you, because I have been around teachers enough to know, that often they put in few hours at home every night as well as part of their weekends to prepare for their classes, so teachers work does not end when the school bell goes off for the pupils.

I have said on many occasions that the Annan plan left things to be desired and it could have been negotiated to a better end. Yet, because life is about options, we should have accepted it because what is installed for us could be very painful

Now for your above quote.

For someone who is against Confederation and Partition as yourself (me too), it amazes me that you would still accept the AP back then which would have produced the results on what Turkey is demanding today, which the end result will be, that it would be a Confederation and a Partition and not anything resembling a BBF of a True Federation, and you worry about something else worse coming instead, just because the AP was turned down.!!

What else could possible be worse than a Confederation and a Partition that you don't want in the first place for Cyprus, since that's what is being offered by Erdogan and the Gang.!!

If you are really against Confederation and Partition, the very first thing you should reject is the 2004 AP, and secondly, any talk of 2 people, 2 nationality, 2 sovereignty, 2 this, 2 that, 2 the other, 2 fingers in the face and so on.!

Enjoy your holidays Bananiot.

[Agios Ionas]

I do not think partition should be an option at all. Not even a 82/18 split even if it could be considered 'fair' looking at population numbers. For Cyprus to prosper and blossom in the long perspective one state, one sovereignty is the only option.

The Turkish troops must leave. Turkey has no place as a guarantor in the future. Like someone else said, the EU will be the 'bodyguard' of the TC's if they feel they need still one. This means Greece and the UK and a whole bunch of other countries with absolutely no history of personal interests and hidden agendas in Cyprus, eg Sweden and Belgium. In a not so distant future this team of bodyguards will possibly include Turkey as well.

The EU has an obligation to make sure Cyprus is safe since Cyprus is a full fledged member of the union. It will make sure human rights are upheld. It will make sure minorities are being treated well and allowed to enjoy political and religious freedom. In a true democracy people will vote on the best man/woman/political party no matter their ethnicity. Political parties are made up of people with different ethnicity, religion, education and backgrounds. You don't like their ideas, you don't vote for them. You think they would do a good job for your country, you give them your vote. If elected officials do a bad job they should get fired by the people. It really is that simple, or at least should be. This is true democracy!

[Piratis]

In effect, Piratis, you are saying that the problem started in 1974. This is a fallacy and most people know this by now and it beats me as to why you choose to ignore this reality.

Kifeas talks about vaseline quite often lately but I wonder if he knows that vaseline is one of the most useful products ever created with a diversity of uses. Of course, a corrupt mind associates only with one particular use of vaseline whilst ignoring the many blissful faculties of petroleum jelly.

Kifeas also associates barbarity only with killings. There are many ways to manifest barbarity, one being to stop all cars that go to Paphos, let's say, and search (see touch up) all women for hidden guns. Of course this could never happen in this island of saints (we have more saints, by the way, than common mortal bananiots) but Kifeas has been blinded by nationalism and has become a lost case, I am afraid.

I have said many times that our actions after 1963 led the ordinary Turkish Cypriots seek for comfort and security in the embrace of TMT and Turkey. Even the left, which was a formidable force, became disenchanted with AKEL (enosis and only enosis) and sought refuge in the enclaves. PEO lost all its Turkish Cypriot members because AKEL hid under the robes of Makarios and sang to the enosis tune side by side with the corrupt right. Kavazoglu was mocked by AKEL for trying hard to effect a change in AKEL's policy, to revert back to the patriotic "national independence". He was sent to his death by the very same people that honour him today. They did not pull the trigger but they did not protect him and made him an easy target for TMT

Bananiot, the Cyprus Problem as it exists today did in fact start in 1974. The problem with the Turks in general started in 1571 (actually even before that with the Turkish raids against our island). Either way, it is the Turks who started the conflicts. We are not the ones who invaded them. They are the ones who invaded us. The problems would be solved if the Turks accepted to allow Cypriots to democratically rule their own island. However they have never accepting such thing since 1571, and this is why the problem and the conflict they started then continues today.

1963 was nothing more than another event in this chain of events of the Cyprus Problem. It was just the resumption of the conflict which the Turks had started against us in 1958 by collaboration with the British with the aim to deny the Cypriot people their freedom and self determination.

The Cyprus problem is that foreign rulers want to impose their rule over our island. This chain of events will brake, and the Cyprus problem will be solved, when finally Cypriots are allowed freedom and self-determination on their own island. If any kind of "agreement" is a result of force and blackmail, like the 1959 agreements, it will not be a solution of the problem, but just another event in the chain of events of the Cyprus Problem. The Cypriot people want their freedom, want their democratic and human rights, and they can not possibly be content with anything less. We are not slaves.

[Viewpoint]

I do not think partition should be an option at all. Not even a 82/18 split even if it could be considered 'fair' looking at population numbers. For Cyprus to prosper and blossom in the long perspective one state, one sovereignty is the only option.

The Turkish troops must leave. Turkey has no place as a guarantor in the future. Like someone else said, the EU will be the 'bodyguard' of the TC's if they feel they need still one. This means Greece and the UK and a whole bunch of other countries with absolutely no history of personal interests and hidden agendas in Cyprus, eg Sweden and Belgium. In a not so distant future this team of bodyguards will possibly include Turkey as well.

The EU has an obligation to make sure Cyprus is safe since Cyprus is a full fledged member of the union. It will make sure human rights are upheld. It will make sure minorities are being treated well and allowed to enjoy political and religious freedom. In a true democracy people will vote on the best man/woman/political party no matter their ethnicity. Political parties are made up of people with different ethnicity, religion, education and backgrounds. You don't like their ideas, you don't vote for them. You think they would do a good job for your country, you give them your vote. If elected officials do a bad job they should get fired by the people. It really is that simple, or at least should be. This is true democracy!

What happens if things go wrong?

[Oracle]

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again

That's life.

[Viewpoint]

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again

That's life.

So what you are saying is take off your life jacket and hope for the best.

[Oracle]

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again

That's life.

So what you are saying is take off your life jacket and hope for the best.

Some of us have learnt to swim .....

[Viewpoint]

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again

That's life.

So what you are saying is take off your life jacket and hope for the best.

Some of us have learnt to swim .....

Gives you a better chance of pushing us under, so we need that life jacket more than ever.