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[Simon]

It is very good of you to speak for the whole GC community Bananiot, but I am afraid that many people would disagree with you. If you gave me the option, Annan Plan or 82/18 split, I would choose the latter without a moments hesitation. I am sure to most people it is completely obvious as to why.

The Annan Plan would certainly have brought about the total destruction of Cyprus, and I am very sad that YOU can't see this.

[Paphitis]

I'll be damned. This is exactly what Denktash was after throughout his life. Now we have Greek Cypriots who admit to seing things through his eyes.

We will never accept partition, even if they gave us 90% of territory. Partition will eventually bring about the total destruction of Cyprus. I am really upset you cannot see this.

It is not my idea of a satisfactory solution, and I never said that it was. It is however being increasingly accepted by many Cypriots. This is purely my own assessment.

What is apparent, is that absolutely no progress has been made. The joint statement on BBF, with single sovereignty, single citizenship, and single representation is meaningless. Erdogan and Talat are already deviating from this so called "in principle" statement. Any reference to Equality of the communities is only mentioned in the context of both Federated States having the same powers under the Federal constitution. It does not mean that the 18% TC community will be equal to the 82% GC, AC, Maronite and Latin communities. President X is also trying to achieve strong Federal Government (with proportional representation and a rotating presidency), whilst the Turks are pushing for a weaker Confederacy of 2 virgin birth states which would ultimately be a prelude to permanent partition in the future, and 1 which would leave no legal grounds for the non recognition of the separatist Turkish State. This is the major objective for Turkey.

[LENA]

If you havent heard they said that they dont want to give back what they already have...ask the TC if they accept the 90-10 or even the 82-18.

But even if they agree on that do you believe that Turkey will let them? If the percentages will be like that ...that means that Turkey will have to go and take everyone that brought with her. I dont see that happening.

Thats why most of the GC want unification...because they believe they have more chances to get back what they lost and send back all the Turks.

May God prove me wrong but I dont see any solution that both communities will agree on that any soon

[Paphitis]

If you havent heard they said that they dont want to give back what they already have...ask the TC if they accept the 90-10 or even the 82-18.

But even if they agree on that do you believe that Turkey will let them? If the percentages will be like that ...that means that Turkey will have to go and take everyone that brought with her. I dont see that happening.

Thats why most of the GC want unification...because they believe they have more chances to get back what they lost and send back all the Turks.

May God prove me wrong but I dont see any solution that both communities will agree on that any soon

The only solution Turkey will accept is a virgin birth federated solution of Cyprus, which off course will require the initial recognition of the Turkish State. They will also only accept a Federated solution where the central Government is weak and ineffective at governance, and which will allow them to legally secede and have political recognition as we would have accepted this state of affairs by initially offering our very own recognition prior to the Federation or Confederacy being formed. Basically, Turkey is strategically positioning itself to permanently partition the island in the future, as well as achieving international recognition and legitimacy.

[DT.]

If you havent heard they said that they dont want to give back what they already have...ask the TC if they accept the 90-10 or even the 82-18.

But even if they agree on that do you believe that Turkey will let them? If the percentages will be like that ...that means that Turkey will have to go and take everyone that brought with her. I dont see that happening.

Thats why most of the GC want unification...because they believe they have more chances to get back what they lost and send back all the Turks.

May God prove me wrong but I dont see any solution that both communities will agree on that any soon

The only solution Turkey will accept is a virgin birth federated solution of Cyprus, which off course will require the initial recognition of the Turkish State. They will also only accept a Federated solution where the central Government is weak and ineffective at governance, and which will allow them to legally secede and have political recognition as we would have accepted this state of affairs by initially offering our very own recognition prior to the Federation or Confederacy being formed. Basically, Turkey is strategically positioning itself to permanently partition the island in the future, as well as achieving international recognition and legitimacy.

Now thats the kind of partition that really gets bananiot's juices flowing. Accept it all, allow separation later on and when your only forum for complaining about it is the International Forum of Municipalities we'll be packing our bags again.

[Paphitis]

If you havent heard they said that they dont want to give back what they already have...ask the TC if they accept the 90-10 or even the 82-18.

But even if they agree on that do you believe that Turkey will let them? If the percentages will be like that ...that means that Turkey will have to go and take everyone that brought with her. I dont see that happening.

Thats why most of the GC want unification...because they believe they have more chances to get back what they lost and send back all the Turks.

May God prove me wrong but I dont see any solution that both communities will agree on that any soon

The only solution Turkey will accept is a virgin birth federated solution of Cyprus, which off course will require the initial recognition of the Turkish State. They will also only accept a Federated solution where the central Government is weak and ineffective at governance, and which will allow them to legally secede and have political recognition as we would have accepted this state of affairs by initially offering our very own recognition prior to the Federation or Confederacy being formed. Basically, Turkey is strategically positioning itself to permanently partition the island in the future, as well as achieving international recognition and legitimacy.

Now thats the kind of partition that really gets bananiot's juices flowing. Accept it all, allow separation later on and when your only forum for complaining about it is the International Forum of Municipalities we'll be packing our bags again.

A solution that will leave us up sh@t creek without a paddle. And one which allows the Turks to keep everything they took from us as Erdogan so eloquently eluded to on the weekend.

The good news is that the Christofias Government will never accept such a solution. Turkey's insistence on unacceptable demands, will only lead to the inevitable collapse of the current talks.

The main objective for the Cyprus Government is to achieve a fair and just solution based on BBF, with single sovereignty, single citizenship and personality. The BBF solution will be a continuation of the RoC or an evolution of it and will consist of a strong Federal government with the 2 Federated States being equal. The Federal Government will be based on proportional representation and it's Presidency will be revolving (i.e. 4 years GC President and 1 year TC President). The Federation will be demilitarised and ideally not have any external Treaties of Guarantee. If President X can not achieve this, then the next objective is to lay the blame on Turkey, thus maintaining international opinion on our side and avoiding any upgrade to the "trnc". This will also result in their continued international isolation and Turkey's EU ambitions will be at a dead end.

Turkey's objective is legalised partition.

[Bananiot]

Talat, on a number of occasions, has said that he is not interested in virgin birth. He was venomously attacked by the right in both Cyprus and Turkey and we have to support him as much as we can, rather than call him a puppet. Remember, if there is no solution by next year at the latest, Talat will most likely lose the elections and we will be talking with Ertogruroglu.

We can not have the ideal conditions we want but we should be able to make the best with the existing state of affairs, which can not get better after Talat has gone. It will be to our detriment if we do not.

I think Simon should understand that Greek Cypriots will never agree to partition and if some are getting friendly with the idea this is basically because of the brainwashing of Papadopoulos.

Remember also that the Turkish army were on stand by in case the Annan Plan got through to bring Erdogan down and nullify the plan which they considered as disastrous for the “TRNC” and Turkey. Denktash and Eroglu together with the deep state in Turkey fought hard to prevent solution in 2004 and only reverted to plan B when Papadopoulos told them straight that he would reject the plan.

I have said on many occasions that the Annan plan left things to be desired and it could have been negotiated to a better end. Yet, because life is about options, we should have accepted it because what is installed for us could be very painful, unless of course, like the Archbishop and his fanatical right wing friends, one thinks that partition is not to be a worrying development.

[Simon]

Bananiot, the difference between you and most other GCs, is that you will simply accept the options you are given. We will not. GCs will fight and continue to fight until we are given what is rightfully ours. You can sell your country out if you like, you can choose one out of any of the disastrous options Turkey gives you, but GCs will wait until justice prevails.

An 82/18 split is at least proportionate and fair. This is what I am interested in. If TCs and the Turkish settlers do not want to reunite, (and when I use the word "reunite", I do not mean a confederation) then I would accept partition as long as it is fair. Many GCs now feel the same as me. You live in the past.

The Annan Plan would have led to partition just the same, only we would have lost 29% of Cyprus, and not 18%.

[Oracle]

Bananiot, the future is not towards partition no matter how nebulous you make the path.

I hope you did not get your tubs of Vaseline and Vicks Vapour Rub mixed up as I sense some distress.

We do not have to kow-tow to Talat ... no matter his length of time left with us.

Our vision is clear ... the EU have issued Turkey with their withdrawal notices and we must not let them forget.

You seem to be enjoying and living up to your traitor status, and so I hope you prepare yourself for the shock that is about to hit you when you wake up from your paracetamol induced stupor .....

[Bananiot]

What a silly anorgasmic female!