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[Sotos]

Monday is even better Miltiades.
We shall see Sotos, however, if you think that only the Turks are to be blamed for our misfortunes then I am afraid it is you who is living in a dream world.

For the Turkish expansionism the Turks are to be blamed. Who else? I mean we might have other problems we created ourselves but we didn't bring the Turks in Cyprus that is certain! They came here for expansionism in 1571 and for expansionism again in 1974! Just think of how many Turks they transferred from Turkey in our island and gave them our land!! If they can't live with us why they came here? And why the kept coming more and more of them if they can't live along with us? EXPANSIONISM! If it wasn't expansionism then the same way they moved IN Cyprus they could move OUT of Cyprus and so solve the problem they created to us!!

[-mikkie2-]

Personally, I think that this time is not a good time for negotiations. The situation in Turkey is pretty dire and my main fear is that Erdogan is perhaps using Cyprus as a way to bring things to a head between the nationalist and liberal elements in Turkey.

I can understand why the start of talks have been delayed to September, in the hope that the situation Turkey clears up. Lets hope it does.

The other factor is the changes that will be happening in the US come Novemebr time when the Americans go to the polls to elect a new president. The Turks are rushing to conclude talks by the end of 2008 (as Talat has been wanting) not because of the EU but because of the change of leadership in the US. Obama I would think will not be as considerate to the Turks as Bush has been. Obama seems to be the favourite to win.

I also said in a previous post that the 'trnc' is bankrupt. There is no money. Turkey is probably fed up paying for the upkeep of the north and quite frankly, the Turkish economy is not doing that great if you look at the huge deficits that are getting even larger by the month and very nervous foreign investors with an itchy 'sell' trigger finger.

I am afraid to say, that it may come to pass that the TC's may regret relying so much on Turkey for so long. They'd better be prepared for the economic shock that a solution will bring. That goes for the GC's too! Christofias says nice words about his vision but he has conveniently ommitted talking about the economic consequences that a solution will bring in the shorter term. It will be very painful and unpalatable for many people and us GC's will have to carry the TC's for a few years before things settle down.

[Bill]

I am afraid to say, that it may come to pass that the TC's may regret relying so much on Turkey for so long. They'd better be prepared for the economic shock that a solution will bring. That goes for the GC's too! Christofias says nice words about his vision but he has conveniently ommitted talking about the economic consequences that a solution will bring in the shorter term. It will be very painful and unpalatable for many people and us GC's will have to carry the TC's for a few years before things settle down.

With much the same problems Germany had when the wall came down and it became all one country again .

To be honest I can't see anything positive happening in respect of a solution in Cyprus.

Bill

[DT.]

I have heard what the other side has said but you must take into account the circumstances under which thise statements were made. The real talking will be done during the face to face negotiations.

always the first to make their excuses Bananiot.

[Bananiot]

Always failing to address the issue DT. Worst still, always failing to understand what the passage of time is doing to us DT. Even more worst, by engaging in unproductive word slinging with the Turks, we do nothing to save our country from total destruction, but of course as the archbishop said "we must not be scared of partition".

[DT.]

Always failing to address the issue DT. Worst still, always failing to understand what the passage of time is doing to us DT. Even more worst, by engaging in unproductive word slinging with the Turks, we do nothing to save our country from total destruction, but of course as the archbishop said "we must not be scared of partition".

I have a lower threshold of how many of my rights can be taken away from me in order to have stolen land returned to me than you have I guess.

[Bananiot]

My rights, your right ... just words! In this island, who cared about the rights of the ordinary Turkish Cypriots that were seen as second and third class citizens after 1960? Who cared about the rights of Turkish Cypriots that were forced into enclaves in 1963 when our EOKA boys were boasting of the number of kills they made?

When our head is on the chopping block we remember our rights. Well, nobody is listening and if we want to salvage anything this can be done only through talks, since we all agree that war is not an option.

[DT.]

My rights, your right ... just words! In this island, who cared about the rights of the ordinary Turkish Cypriots that were seen as second and third class citizens after 1960? Who cared about the rights of Turkish Cypriots that were forced into enclaves in 1963 when our EOKA boys were boasting of the number of kills they made?

When our head is on the chopping block we remember our rights. Well, nobody is listening and if we want to salvage anything this can be done only through talks, since we all agree that war is not an option.

So because some of their rights got ignored then its only right that my rights continue to be ignored now?

[Bananiot]

No it is not right DT, but only people that have shown to respect others' peoples rights are legitimised to talk about rights!

[DT.]

No it is not right DT, but only people that have shown to respect others' peoples rights are legitimised to talk about rights!

WHen have I not respected others rights?