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[Kikapu]

All of the above would have had a meaning Zan, if Turkey in fact restored the RoC government after the Coup by the Junta, as was agreed under the Guarantor Power agreement and withdrew after it was safe to do so, withing few months. Without going into any other details where other actions of Turkey in Cyprus were all contrary to her agreement as a guarantor, makes the above statement even more objectionable. Had Turkey lived up to her responsibilities, I believe even the GC's would be throwing a party to Turkey along with the TC's in saving their island from the coupist, but instead, Turkey violated every charter she signed to protect Cyprus and all Cypriots. So the question then needs to be asked is, which guarantor power violated their own oath greater than other guarantor powers to provide protection to Cyprus and to all Cypriots.!!

There were problems before the coup and it was us that were suffering while the Gcs stole our country and we still have problems today so Turkey has every right to be here until we agree a solution.

Sure there were problems, but what does that has to do with anything as to why Turkey violated every agreement, more than the other two, that she signed to protect Cyprus and all Cypriots as a guarantor. If Turkey was not ready to be guarantor 100%, she should have just decline the job altogether. But at least you are not contesting the fact, that Turkey did violate all her agreements she signed to do, and then you wonder why the GC's do not want Turkey to play any role as a guarantor in the future.

Turkey came and saved the TCs and GCs from Greek murderers who had complete disregard for the constitution and any other agreement and you find Turkey at fault.......Still clutching at straws my friend.........Answer the question....Hand the country back to whom???

Hand the country back to whom???

The same government Turkey accepted as a legitimate government in 74 just before the coup. Just when did Turkey realise, that she no longer recognised the government she came to protect and restore, considering the fact, that it was the same government since 1963 when the problems started, or are you saying now, Turkey did not recognise the RoC government since 1963, then the question comes to mind, why did they wait until 74 to come and help the TC's, and if so, then the whole thing looks like a set up job with the coup to divide the island between Greece and Turkey, since the safety of the TC's were no concern to Turkey between 63 and 74. So make up your mind Zan, as to what was more important to Turkey, the safety of the TC's between 63-74, or get a piece of the island after 74, because she had no problem allowing the RoC government to remain in place before 74, but somehow, it could not restore it back to it's place, after the coup in 74 according to you..

It did not recognise the government of the "RoC" before then my friend because it was the Cyprus Republic...For starters....

Have you read anything on Cyprus or are you just grasping at straws as usual. Why did Turkey not come in 63/64.........The USA would not let her. The UK would not let her. She was broke and did not have the power or the ships. She trusted the UN to make the difference....A zillion reasons that you have not bothered to find out about because it contradicts your Greek propaganda books. Did you read what the USAs response was when Turkey started the intervention in 1974....? Well read up old boy and burn that book you are so fond of. If you do...You will find that Makarios himself said that the Zurich agreement was dead and that that agreement was what made the government of Cyprus and not the cock and bull story that you think makes the rightful government of Cyprus. The Greeks have not been the government of the whole of Cyprus and never will. Happy reading Einstein...

If you say so Zan, because you always know the facts , because you read them in some book.!!!

So, I go back to my original question then Zan.

If Turkey was not willing or able to play the role of a guarantor, why the hell did she sign up for the job when she could not deliver her services to the Cypriots and Cyprus between 63-74, and when she did come, she only helped the TC's and took a large junk of the island for herself????

What ever happened to her commitment to help ALL CYPRIOTS.???

Perhaps these answers are also somewhere in that book you read.???

What was the title again Zan.??

[zan]

All of the above would have had a meaning Zan, if Turkey in fact restored the RoC government after the Coup by the Junta, as was agreed under the Guarantor Power agreement and withdrew after it was safe to do so, withing few months. Without going into any other details where other actions of Turkey in Cyprus were all contrary to her agreement as a guarantor, makes the above statement even more objectionable. Had Turkey lived up to her responsibilities, I believe even the GC's would be throwing a party to Turkey along with the TC's in saving their island from the coupist, but instead, Turkey violated every charter she signed to protect Cyprus and all Cypriots. So the question then needs to be asked is, which guarantor power violated their own oath greater than other guarantor powers to provide protection to Cyprus and to all Cypriots.!!

There were problems before the coup and it was us that were suffering while the Gcs stole our country and we still have problems today so Turkey has every right to be here until we agree a solution.

Sure there were problems, but what does that has to do with anything as to why Turkey violated every agreement, more than the other two, that she signed to protect Cyprus and all Cypriots as a guarantor. If Turkey was not ready to be guarantor 100%, she should have just decline the job altogether. But at least you are not contesting the fact, that Turkey did violate all her agreements she signed to do, and then you wonder why the GC's do not want Turkey to play any role as a guarantor in the future.

Turkey came and saved the TCs and GCs from Greek murderers who had complete disregard for the constitution and any other agreement and you find Turkey at fault.......Still clutching at straws my friend.........Answer the question....Hand the country back to whom???

Hand the country back to whom???

The same government Turkey accepted as a legitimate government in 74 just before the coup. Just when did Turkey realise, that she no longer recognised the government she came to protect and restore, considering the fact, that it was the same government since 1963 when the problems started, or are you saying now, Turkey did not recognise the RoC government since 1963, then the question comes to mind, why did they wait until 74 to come and help the TC's, and if so, then the whole thing looks like a set up job with the coup to divide the island between Greece and Turkey, since the safety of the TC's were no concern to Turkey between 63 and 74. So make up your mind Zan, as to what was more important to Turkey, the safety of the TC's between 63-74, or get a piece of the island after 74, because she had no problem allowing the RoC government to remain in place before 74, but somehow, it could not restore it back to it's place, after the coup in 74 according to you..

It did not recognise the government of the "RoC" before then my friend because it was the Cyprus Republic...For starters....

Have you read anything on Cyprus or are you just grasping at straws as usual. Why did Turkey not come in 63/64.........The USA would not let her. The UK would not let her. She was broke and did not have the power or the ships. She trusted the UN to make the difference....A zillion reasons that you have not bothered to find out about because it contradicts your Greek propaganda books. Did you read what the USAs response was when Turkey started the intervention in 1974....? Well read up old boy and burn that book you are so fond of. If you do...You will find that Makarios himself said that the Zurich agreement was dead and that that agreement was what made the government of Cyprus and not the cock and bull story that you think makes the rightful government of Cyprus. The Greeks have not been the government of the whole of Cyprus and never will. Happy reading Einstein...

If you say so Zan, because you always know the facts , because you read them in some book.!!!

So, I go back to my original question then Zan.

If Turkey was not willing or able to play the role of a guarantor, why the hell did she sign up for the job when she could not deliver her services to the Cypriots and Cyprus between 63-74, and when she did come, she only helped the TC's and took a large junk of the island for herself????

What ever happened to her commitment to help ALL CYPRIOTS.???

Perhaps these answers are also somewhere in that book you read.???

What was the title again Zan.??

Waffle waffle waffle........I asked you a while back to ask the so called "RoC" to return to the Zurich agreement and allow the TCs to return to their proper place in CYprus government...The only Government that TUrkey can hand back the island to.......Did You??? What was the reply??????

I'M guessing that you did no such thing because then that would stop wafting smelly hot air in my direction....I ask YOU again....What government is TUrkey supposed to be Guarantor of???? What she did was preserve a part of CYprus until the GCs decide to return to the only legitimate government that that island should have.

[humanist]

welcome back Zan, I look forward to good healthy debates

[zan]

welcome back Zan, I look forward to good healthy debates

Thanks Humanist but all I have seen is your usual biased and racist sound bites continue so far. No room for debate in such situations. You are not prepared to give us anything but a flag and a song so far and expect the world in exchange but my hopes are high if yours are.

[Kikapu]

Waffle waffle waffle........I asked you a while back to ask the so called "RoC" to return to the Zurich agreement and allow the TCs to return to their proper place in CYprus government...The only Government that TUrkey can hand back the island to.......Did You??? What was the reply??????

I'M guessing that you did no such thing because then that would stop wafting smelly hot air in my direction....I ask YOU again....What government is TUrkey supposed to be Guarantor of???? What she did was preserve a part of CYprus until the GCs decide to return to the only legitimate government that that island should have.

I can see it is going to be the usual struggle with you to get answers, much like "pulling teeth" really.

So Zan, just how eager was Denktash to return to the original constitution and government between 1963-74, or was it more advantages for him to stay out of it. But put that aside for a minute, because you have not answered my question, which was, if Turkey did not recognize the RoC government between 63-74, why did she not come and restore it and secondly, why did she let the TC's suffer just because Denktash was happy to keep things as they were. You have given us all the "Cock and Bull" reasons as to the USA not allowing Turkey to take such actions, and even if she did want to, she was physically unable to, because she lacked the ships and planes, but the day after the coup by the Junta, all of a sudden, she found all the ships and weapons she needed to come to the help of Cyprus to perform the "peace operation", but anytime before the coup by the Junta, she was not able to. Don't you find that just a little bit peculiar Zan.?? Then again, why am I asking you such questions knowing full well, that I will not get a straight answers from you, but more made up reasons of justifications.

When a police officer signs up to preserve the peace in a city, he is doing so to protect all citizens and not just his own ethnic group. The explanation you gave about why Turkey kept part of the island does not wash at all Zan, because the RoC government is recognized world over and meets all the standards and obligations. If one part of the constitution is not in full compliance for what ever reason in any country and particularly in Cyprus, it is a internal matter, whether it is the GC's fault, the TC's fault or both, the rest of the world has not condemned the RoC and refuse to recognise her, but instead recognises Turkey as a illegal occupying force in Cyprus. Now these are the facts and you are free to accept them or not, or you can go and read your "famous book" that gives you all the answers you want to hear, no matter how much fiction may be written in them.

[miltiades]

Nice to see that yu can take these facts with such good humour if little eloquence Kifeas.........I doubt it will last though!!

It will not last what ...Zan? I was hoping that your long absence from the forum was due to your undergoing through some serious IQ boost treatment, but alas, you have come back as fool and imbecile as you left!

PS: Upon reading half way your above posted rave, I had to stop because I nearly started becoming "convinced" why I should gift you half of my country, for being your kismet due to our (GCs) "faults" and "mistakes!"

Still going on about your non-existant IQ Kifeas.. I ahve told you before...MY 15 year old son has an IQ of 161 but he has no more idea about how to put the world together than you do.......


I also would like to thank you for the offer of a gift but I would rather claim that which is mine rather than wait for your generous but deadly offer....Thanks any way..

Nothing of Cyprus belongs to anyone who is not a Cypriot , as far as you Zan , your long absense let me to believe that you had found that modern new world that you so eagerly wanted to be a part of. It looks as if you failed !
Get in your head that the entire world considers Cyprus to be one nation with a large part of it occupied by Turkey. Sooner rather than later the voices of the Cypriots that are being listened to by all international organizations will be heard in Cyprus too amongst the Greeks and the Turks , they will have to listen to the voice of Cyprus.
Shame on all those who have no respect and deny their true ethnicity (let me add nationality too before some smart ass jumps in with his thesaurus )
LONG LIVE CYPRUS THE HOME OF ALL CYPRIOTS .
FOREIGNERS WHO DONT LIKE IT HERE GO BACK TO THEIR "MOTHERLANDS"

ps. Can I also extend this to all British foreigners in the UK.

[zan]

Waffle waffle waffle........I asked you a while back to ask the so called "RoC" to return to the Zurich agreement and allow the TCs to return to their proper place in CYprus government...The only Government that TUrkey can hand back the island to.......Did You??? What was the reply??????

I'M guessing that you did no such thing because then that would stop wafting smelly hot air in my direction....I ask YOU again....What government is TUrkey supposed to be Guarantor of???? What she did was preserve a part of CYprus until the GCs decide to return to the only legitimate government that that island should have.

I can see it is going to be the usual struggle with you to get answers, much like "pulling teeth" really.

So Zan, just how eager was Denktash to return to the original constitution and government between 1963-74, or was it more advantages for him to stay out of it. But put that aside for a minute, because you have not answered my question, which was, if Turkey did not recognize the RoC government between 63-74, why did she not come and restore it and secondly, why did she let the TC's suffer just because Denktash was happy to keep things as they were. You have given us all the "Cock and Bull" reasons as to the USA not allowing Turkey to take such actions, and even if she did want to, she was physically unable to, because she lacked the ships and planes, but the day after the coup by the Junta, all of a sudden, she found all the ships and weapons she needed to come to the help of Cyprus to perform the "peace operation", but anytime before the coup by the Junta, she was not able to. Don't you find that just a little bit peculiar Zan.?? Then again, why am I asking you such questions knowing full well, that I will not get a straight answers from you, but more made up reasons of justifications.

When a police officer signs up to preserve the peace in a city, he is doing so to protect all citizens and not just his own ethnic group. The explanation you gave about why Turkey kept part of the island does not wash at all Zan, because the RoC government is recognized world over and meets all the standards and obligations. If one part of the constitution is not in full compliance for what ever reason in any country and particularly in Cyprus, it is a internal matter, whether it is the GC's fault, the TC's fault or both, the rest of the world has not condemned the RoC and refuse to recognise her, but instead recognises Turkey as a illegal occupying force in Cyprus. Now these are the facts and you are free to accept them or not, or you can go and read your "famous book" that gives you all the answers you want to hear, no matter how much fiction may be written in them.

You got your answer sweet heart but you refuse to see it with those blinkered Greek specs you have on.....The lack of resources is well documented as far as Turkey goes and in the ten years they built up what they finally did to intervene in the destruction of Cyprus. The build up of Greek arms was too much for them at one point and then it wasn't...What is hard to understand about that unless you don't want to understand of course.

I will not point the finger at the UN as yet but whether it was by design or just plain niaevety, the UN had to recognise the so called "RoC" in order to come and save the lives of the TCs. It is plainly written in the Akritas plan that the GCs must be seen to be handling the so called intercommunal fighting badly for this to happen. It also says that they are more than prepared to anialate the TCs if the resistance got out of hand. It is not my fault that you are not able to put two and two together and come up with some accurate answers of your own or are unable to understand what is being told you.

Under those conditions, the UN have had no choice but to back the initial WRONG decision of recognising the Greek government with resolution after resolution but have not had the backing to carry any of them out because they know they were wrong to do so in the first place. Trying to sweep this fact under the carpet is osmething that they and the |Greeks have tried to do but it WILL not go away.

The aim at the time of Makarios was to further this mkstake by the UN and not go backwards so the false claim that the system of the Zurich agreement was unworkable was carried on and the 13 amendments were insisted on. That would meen the slow destruction of TC involvement in government anyway so how the hell you expect us to agree to it is beyond me. There was never an offer of a full return to the original agreement so we made our demands as well. the rest, as they say is history. Now we are in a position to demand total equality and not just the 30% we had......They should have taken the first offer. Not our fault.


Maybe I added too much detail for you to understand but please try......Take your time.

[zan]

Nice to see that yu can take these facts with such good humour if little eloquence Kifeas.........I doubt it will last though!!

It will not last what ...Zan? I was hoping that your long absence from the forum was due to your undergoing through some serious IQ boost treatment, but alas, you have come back as fool and imbecile as you left!

PS: Upon reading half way your above posted rave, I had to stop because I nearly started becoming "convinced" why I should gift you half of my country, for being your kismet due to our (GCs) "faults" and "mistakes!"

Still going on about your non-existant IQ Kifeas.. I ahve told you before...MY 15 year old son has an IQ of 161 but he has no more idea about how to put the world together than you do.......


I also would like to thank you for the offer of a gift but I would rather claim that which is mine rather than wait for your generous but deadly offer....Thanks any way..

Nothing of Cyprus belongs to anyone who is not a Cypriot , as far as you Zan , your long absense let me to believe that you had found that modern new world that you so eagerly wanted to be a part of. It looks as if you failed !
Get in your head that the entire world considers Cyprus to be one nation with a large part of it occupied by Turkey. Sooner rather than later the voices of the Cypriots that are being listened to by all international organizations will be heard in Cyprus too amongst the Greeks and the Turks , they will have to listen to the voice of Cyprus.
Shame on all those who have no respect and deny their true ethnicity (let me add nationality too before some smart ass jumps in with his thesaurus )
LONG LIVE CYPRUS THE HOME OF ALL CYPRIOTS .
FOREIGNERS WHO DONT LIKE IT HERE GO BACK TO THEIR "MOTHERLANDS"

ps. Can I also extend this to all British foreigners in the UK.

Still trying to sell us the dodgy knives from China Miltiades??? Your so called "RoC" is not Cyprus mate so you can stick it where the sun don't shine. If that is what you call the modern world, conning people into buying something that it plainly isn't, then you live in it and stop complaining when you yourself are conned. What goes around comes around as they say!!! When you fight against the Greeks and the Turks and form this fictitious Cypriot that you think you are then you can expect my help but trying to sell me something that is a poor substitute just because the world made a mistake and took it on, just like those cheap knives you are selling to your customers in north London.

[Kikapu]

Waffle waffle waffle........I asked you a while back to ask the so called "RoC" to return to the Zurich agreement and allow the TCs to return to their proper place in CYprus government...The only Government that TUrkey can hand back the island to.......Did You??? What was the reply??????

I'M guessing that you did no such thing because then that would stop wafting smelly hot air in my direction....I ask YOU again....What government is TUrkey supposed to be Guarantor of???? What she did was preserve a part of CYprus until the GCs decide to return to the only legitimate government that that island should have.

I can see it is going to be the usual struggle with you to get answers, much like "pulling teeth" really.

So Zan, just how eager was Denktash to return to the original constitution and government between 1963-74, or was it more advantages for him to stay out of it. But put that aside for a minute, because you have not answered my question, which was, if Turkey did not recognize the RoC government between 63-74, why did she not come and restore it and secondly, why did she let the TC's suffer just because Denktash was happy to keep things as they were. You have given us all the "Cock and Bull" reasons as to the USA not allowing Turkey to take such actions, and even if she did want to, she was physically unable to, because she lacked the ships and planes, but the day after the coup by the Junta, all of a sudden, she found all the ships and weapons she needed to come to the help of Cyprus to perform the "peace operation", but anytime before the coup by the Junta, she was not able to. Don't you find that just a little bit peculiar Zan.?? Then again, why am I asking you such questions knowing full well, that I will not get a straight answers from you, but more made up reasons of justifications.

When a police officer signs up to preserve the peace in a city, he is doing so to protect all citizens and not just his own ethnic group. The explanation you gave about why Turkey kept part of the island does not wash at all Zan, because the RoC government is recognized world over and meets all the standards and obligations. If one part of the constitution is not in full compliance for what ever reason in any country and particularly in Cyprus, it is a internal matter, whether it is the GC's fault, the TC's fault or both, the rest of the world has not condemned the RoC and refuse to recognise her, but instead recognises Turkey as a illegal occupying force in Cyprus. Now these are the facts and you are free to accept them or not, or you can go and read your "famous book" that gives you all the answers you want to hear, no matter how much fiction may be written in them.

You got your answer sweet heart but you refuse to see it with those blinkered Greek specs you have on.....The lack of resources is well documented as far as Turkey goes and in the ten years they built up what they finally did to intervene in the destruction of Cyprus. The build up of Greek arms was too much for them at one point and then it wasn't...What is hard to understand about that unless you don't want to understand of course.

I will not point the finger at the UN as yet but whether it was by design or just plain niaevety, the UN had to recognise the so called "RoC" in order to come and save the lives of the TCs. It is plainly written in the Akritas plan that the GCs must be seen to be handling the so called intercommunal fighting badly for this to happen. It also says that they are more than prepared to anialate the TCs if the resistance got out of hand. It is not my fault that you are not able to put two and two together and come up with some accurate answers of your own or are unable to understand what is being told you.

Under those conditions, the UN have had no choice but to back the initial WRONG decision of recognising the Greek government with resolution after resolution but have not had the backing to carry any of them out because they know they were wrong to do so in the first place. Trying to sweep this fact under the carpet is osmething that they and the |Greeks have tried to do but it WILL not go away.

The aim at the time of Makarios was to further this mkstake by the UN and not go backwards so the false claim that the system of the Zurich agreement was unworkable was carried on and the 13 amendments were insisted on. That would meen the slow destruction of TC involvement in government anyway so how the hell you expect us to agree to it is beyond me. There was never an offer of a full return to the original agreement so we made our demands as well. the rest, as they say is history. Now we are in a position to demand total equality and not just the 30% we had......They should have taken the first offer. Not our fault.


Maybe I added too much detail for you to understand but please try......Take your time.

No, no Zan, never too much information, so don't worry, as long as you give it correctly, so give us facts and leave the rest behind..!!

Zan, you have spend almost the entire page on why and how the UN came to accept the RoC government as the legitimate entity in Cyprus. So what what the UN did, because every UN member country could have independently refuse to recognise Cyprus, just as Turkey has done, so I'm afraid you cannot hide behind the "UN was duped" by Makarios claim, and even if what you say is true, it does not explain why only Turkey is the only "odd man out" in recognizing the RoC.

Perhaps having a UN declared illegal occupation of Turkish forces in Cyprus may in fact is the reason why only Turkey is the
"odd man out" from the rest of the world's other countries in recognising the RoC.!!

In your opinion, Turkey was ready to "intervene" right after the Coup by the Junta, but not anytime before, because she lacked the equipment.............are you really sure Zan.!!????

As far as demanding total political equality and not just the 30%, I'm totally with you. Now we can ask for 100% political equality in a One Man One Vote system, much like all other True Democracies in the world.

Well done Zan.!!

[zan]

Waffle waffle waffle........I asked you a while back to ask the so called "RoC" to return to the Zurich agreement and allow the TCs to return to their proper place in CYprus government...The only Government that TUrkey can hand back the island to.......Did You??? What was the reply??????

I'M guessing that you did no such thing because then that would stop wafting smelly hot air in my direction....I ask YOU again....What government is TUrkey supposed to be Guarantor of???? What she did was preserve a part of CYprus until the GCs decide to return to the only legitimate government that that island should have.

I can see it is going to be the usual struggle with you to get answers, much like "pulling teeth" really.

So Zan, just how eager was Denktash to return to the original constitution and government between 1963-74, or was it more advantages for him to stay out of it. But put that aside for a minute, because you have not answered my question, which was, if Turkey did not recognize the RoC government between 63-74, why did she not come and restore it and secondly, why did she let the TC's suffer just because Denktash was happy to keep things as they were. You have given us all the "Cock and Bull" reasons as to the USA not allowing Turkey to take such actions, and even if she did want to, she was physically unable to, because she lacked the ships and planes, but the day after the coup by the Junta, all of a sudden, she found all the ships and weapons she needed to come to the help of Cyprus to perform the "peace operation", but anytime before the coup by the Junta, she was not able to. Don't you find that just a little bit peculiar Zan.?? Then again, why am I asking you such questions knowing full well, that I will not get a straight answers from you, but more made up reasons of justifications.

When a police officer signs up to preserve the peace in a city, he is doing so to protect all citizens and not just his own ethnic group. The explanation you gave about why Turkey kept part of the island does not wash at all Zan, because the RoC government is recognized world over and meets all the standards and obligations. If one part of the constitution is not in full compliance for what ever reason in any country and particularly in Cyprus, it is a internal matter, whether it is the GC's fault, the TC's fault or both, the rest of the world has not condemned the RoC and refuse to recognise her, but instead recognises Turkey as a illegal occupying force in Cyprus. Now these are the facts and you are free to accept them or not, or you can go and read your "famous book" that gives you all the answers you want to hear, no matter how much fiction may be written in them.

You got your answer sweet heart but you refuse to see it with those blinkered Greek specs you have on.....The lack of resources is well documented as far as Turkey goes and in the ten years they built up what they finally did to intervene in the destruction of Cyprus. The build up of Greek arms was too much for them at one point and then it wasn't...What is hard to understand about that unless you don't want to understand of course.

I will not point the finger at the UN as yet but whether it was by design or just plain niaevety, the UN had to recognise the so called "RoC" in order to come and save the lives of the TCs. It is plainly written in the Akritas plan that the GCs must be seen to be handling the so called intercommunal fighting badly for this to happen. It also says that they are more than prepared to anialate the TCs if the resistance got out of hand. It is not my fault that you are not able to put two and two together and come up with some accurate answers of your own or are unable to understand what is being told you.

Under those conditions, the UN have had no choice but to back the initial WRONG decision of recognising the Greek government with resolution after resolution but have not had the backing to carry any of them out because they know they were wrong to do so in the first place. Trying to sweep this fact under the carpet is osmething that they and the |Greeks have tried to do but it WILL not go away.

The aim at the time of Makarios was to further this mkstake by the UN and not go backwards so the false claim that the system of the Zurich agreement was unworkable was carried on and the 13 amendments were insisted on. That would meen the slow destruction of TC involvement in government anyway so how the hell you expect us to agree to it is beyond me. There was never an offer of a full return to the original agreement so we made our demands as well. the rest, as they say is history. Now we are in a position to demand total equality and not just the 30% we had......They should have taken the first offer. Not our fault.


Maybe I added too much detail for you to understand but please try......Take your time.

No, no Zan, never too much information, so don't worry, as long as you give it correctly, so give us facts and leave the rest behind..!!

Zan, you have spend almost the entire page on why and how the UN came to accept the RoC government as the legitimate entity in Cyprus. So what what the UN did, because every UN member country could have independently refuse to recognise Cyprus, just as Turkey has done, so I'm afraid you cannot hide behind the "UN was duped" by Makarios claim, and even if what you say is true, it does not explain why only Turkey is the only "odd man out" in recognizing the RoC.

Perhaps having a UN declared illegal occupation of Turkish forces in Cyprus may in fact is the reason why only Turkey is the
"odd man out" from the rest of the world's other countries in recognising the RoC.!!

In your opinion, Turkey was ready to "intervene" right after the Coup by the Junta, but not anytime before, because she lacked the equipment.............are you really sure Zan.!!????

As far as demanding total political equality and not just the 30%, I'm totally with you. Now we can ask for 100% political equality in a One Man One Vote system, much like all other True Democracies in the world.

Well done Zan.!!

Stop behaving like a child and do some reading as to why Turkey did not come mate. But then you will be disappointed and will not be able to write crap. Apart from not having the resources and knowing that she would lose before even landing, she was also asking the other Guarantors to intervene but non did. Having secured landing points in 1974, they finally could come and save the whole island from falling into the wrong hands.

Try reading something other than Greek propaganda and you will see the truth my friend and maybe stop asking stupid questions.


If your idea of "True democracy" is trying to starve a people into submission and take away their rights only to replace them with what you think is right and make them a minority in their own country with less rights then they had before then carry on Stalin....This man is not for turning. One community one vote is just as democratic as proved in the EU voting system with veto intact. Seems you are selective in your ideas on democracy in favour of Greek rule in Cyprus......You have the choice already.......The TRNC or the "RoC".......Freedom of choice...Isnt that democratic...