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[salonica]

I wish I could see that

so far we haven't seen anything

I do beleive that if it was a matter between Cypriots the problem would be solved easily and faster

[Alexandros Lordos]

Maybe because Pap is aware of the fact that Talat is just a minor player in the whole scene?
As long as the TC community and its leaders do not show signs of independence from Ankaras policies, Tassos is playing the game really well.

Unfortunately it is the GC and Turkey the main players. it should be the GC and TC but you still haven't reached that level.

I am not sure what you are saying is true, salonica.

The way I understand it, the TCs and Turkey have a silent understanding, which aspects of the Cyprus Problem are "the TCs business" and which aspects are "Turkey's business".

If for instance Talat is willing to agree something concerning property rights, or power sharing arrangements, Ankara will not object, but on issues related to security Turkey insists to have the final say.

That is why in negotiations with Denktash, he would argue fiercely about "his" issues of bizonality, political equality etc. , but when it came to security arrangements he would refuse to discuss it, saying instead that "this is for Turkey to decide"

[salonica]

Maybe because Pap is aware of the fact that Talat is just a minor player in the whole scene?
As long as the TC community and its leaders do not show signs of independence from Ankaras policies, Tassos is playing the game really well.

Unfortunately it is the GC and Turkey the main players. it should be the GC and TC but you still haven't reached that level.

I am not sure what you are saying is true, salonica.

The way I understand it, the TCs and Turkey have a silent understanding, which aspects of the Cyprus Problem are "the TCs business" and which aspects are "Turkey's business".

If for instance Talat is willing to agree something concerning property rights, or power sharing arrangements, Ankara will not object, but on issues related to security Turkey insists to have the final say.

That is why in negotiations with Denktash, he would argue fiercely about "his" issues of bizonality, political equality etc. , but when it came to security arrangements he would refuse to discuss it, saying instead that "this is for Turkey to decide"

are not all issues related when trying to find a solution?
I strongly beleive that anything has to have Ankaras agreement.
Otherwise, I should start accusing Talat for selling off the GC properties to foreigners, for not opening additional entry points etc.

don't forget that in the very end it is all about security. But as said before I don't see how you can separate these thinks.
I mean when we are talking about separate states, is that Talat's or Ankaras will?

Talat is Ankaras HR manager

[Viewpoint]

There is a close working relationship between TCs and Turkey, becasue we see eye to eye on many issues this doesnt naturally mean that Tcs have no say, ultimately its Talat our democratically elected leader that will come to the negotiating table opposite Papdop on the Cyprus issue not Erdogan, so dont you feel its high time these two leaders started talking to each other positively. If Christifoas, being bigger partner in your government can manage this why cant Papadop. Hope its nothing to with his alergy still have to go with the stalling for time to get Turkeys signature thus declaring a win and more points at home.

[salonica]

I shouldn't be bothered to answer you but what the heck

Tassos is a very clever man and he is playing the game very well. He knows that it is all about Ankara and Talat is only for public relations.
He will not drag himself into a game with Talat cause he knows that he will lose either way. since this is a game not for solution but for taking points in the international arena.

He prefers to deal with Ankara where he knows he has a win-win situation.

When TC start demonstrating their will for unification then I am sure he will adjust. If he doesn't he will be removed. simple as that

[Alexandros Lordos]

I mean when we are talking about separate states, is that Talat's or Ankaras will?

TCs and Turkey each have their own reasons for wanting some sort of separation. For Turkey, it is about strategic control, for TCs, it is about personal security and self determination.

The problem with us GCs, is that the majority of us do not have a clue what the fears and concerns of the TCs are. We assume they are not important, and then try and look over their heads to Turkey. This won't work. We need to be talking both with Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots. At the moment, our leadership is doing neither.

[brother]

The problem with us GCs, is that the majority of us do not have a clue what the fears and concerns of the TCs are. We assume they are not important, and then try and look over their heads to Turkey. This won't work. We need to be talking both with Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots. At the moment, our leadership is doing neither.

Well said Alex.

[Viewpoint]

Yes Alex, well said at least one GC with a brain and flexibility to address issues objectively . Only wish there were more like you

[salonica]

I mean when we are talking about separate states, is that Talat's or Ankaras will?

TCs and Turkey each have their own reasons for wanting some sort of separation. For Turkey, it is about strategic control, for TCs, it is about personal security and self determination.

The problem with us GCs, is that the majority of us do not have a clue what the fears and concerns of the TCs are. We assume they are not important, and then try and look over their heads to Turkey. This won't work. We need to be talking both with Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots. At the moment, our leadership is doing neither.

I beleive that Tassos is doing the right thing. He understunds that this is a game of gaining points against the other and not a true discussion about a solution, at least a solution that rules out division.

From what I am reading in the forum the TC concerns are that GC will start shooting them out at the street
How do you expect the GC to react to such a fear?

I am repeating myself that division is something that the GC will never accept.

[Viewpoint]

Only time will tell