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Postby Filitsa » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:32 pm

pantheman wrote:
Novus wrote:Well, America did mostly fall for the WMDs in Iraq lie, so we are at least a little gullible. I think about 30% of Americans still believe Sadam Hussein had direct involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

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Novus,

A correction is warranted here. The Americans didn't fall for any lie, the Americans believed he had WMD because they themsleves provided them, thats why they were hell bent on it.

The reason Saddam had all these weapons was because of their war with iran that the Americans wanted to destroy and hence were helping Saddam. What they didn't anticipate was that he would turn on them like Bin laden did since he was also well funded by the CIA. Thats your country mate, if fucks up every other country then tries to go in a heros.

saddam was too clever for them than to get caught with his pants down and subsequently disposed of the said weapons, which is why you didn't find any. Catch my drift????

OK moving on.


Speaking of "getting caught with his pants down," Sadam was so clever to hide those weapons, but he couldn't hide himself. Pan, sometimes I wonder about you. :roll:
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Re: Small Step for a Man ... Giant Leap for Mankind!

Postby zan » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:38 pm

Novus wrote:
zan wrote:
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zan wrote:
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zan wrote:

Do you know that for sure????Just wondering thats all!!
I know for sure that current NASA astronauts do not have a handgun on missions, and I know for sure that cosmonauts do because there was a little bit of a news event when the handgun on the space station was mentioned (it is the Russian's).
I do not know 100% for sure about Apollo 11 though.


Sorry! I have been a fool. A gun would not work in space and firing it in the shuttle would be lethal. :oops:


Why won't it work zan??

newtons 3rd law here, action and reaction, the bullit will be propelled by the explosion and the bullit will be launched. The space shuttle has the same principle. Yes ??


Gun powder will not ignite unless there is air Panth. The shuttle works with rockets that are completely different.
Incorrect. Gun powder, just like solid rocket fuel, contains its own oxidizer. A gun in space will fire.


I "Think" you are wrong but am willing to learn. I saw a whole program about guns not firing in space and the Americans trying to invent a massive shotgun that did fire and would fill the sky with shot in the event of a nuclear attack. Just saying what I saw.
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Re: Small Step for a Man ... Giant Leap for Mankind!

Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:38 pm

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How can you shoot something in space .. gravity? :? .. vacuum? :? avoid getting your space-suit punctured :shock:

Other than lasers .. what kind of weapons do we have that are suitable for space?
I didn't see this post. I I think I answered most of it already though.
The vacuum would not affect the function of the bullet or the firing of the cartridge. The lack of gravity might cause problems though. It would make the firer spin on an axis at the least, but because of inertia (right word?) of the firer that has to be overcome, the bullet will still have force when it hits the target.

What weapons are suitable for space? I doubt any besides as you mentioned, energy weapons.


Imagining the lack of gravity is making my head spin. :shock:

I guess the lack of friction once fired (no air) and again no gravity pulling it in any direction ... the bullet should keep going at the same speed infinitely .... until it meets an object. :?
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Postby zan » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:48 pm

My apologies and anger at wasting an hour watching a pointless documentary on "Space wars"...... :evil: :evil: :evil:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 359AAR0ihp
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:22 am

zan wrote:My apologies and anger at wasting an hour watching a pointless documentary on "Space wars"...... :evil: :evil: :evil:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 359AAR0ihp


OK ... So once it fires, there will be nothing to slow the bullet down, it will just keep going into deep space, until it collides with an object ... right? :?

Whereas on Earth it has a limited trajectory!
(caused by friction and gravity)
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Re: Small Step for a Man ... Giant Leap for Mankind!

Postby Novus » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:33 am

zan wrote:
I "Think" you are wrong but am willing to learn. I saw a whole program about guns not firing in space and the Americans trying to invent a massive shotgun that did fire and would fill the sky with shot in the event of a nuclear attack. Just saying what I saw.
There is no air underwater either, right? Well check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6WUSnALoRc
Gun powder, or in most cases nitrocellulose, is a low power explosive but it deflagrates instead of detonates......like solid rocket propellants. The oxygen and nitrogen, the main ingredients for its explosive properties, are contained in it chemically. :D
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Re: Small Step for a Man ... Giant Leap for Mankind!

Postby Novus » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:38 am

Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:
Oracle wrote:
How can you shoot something in space .. gravity? :? .. vacuum? :? avoid getting your space-suit punctured :shock:

Other than lasers .. what kind of weapons do we have that are suitable for space?
I didn't see this post. I I think I answered most of it already though.
The vacuum would not affect the function of the bullet or the firing of the cartridge. The lack of gravity might cause problems though. It would make the firer spin on an axis at the least, but because of inertia (right word?) of the firer that has to be overcome, the bullet will still have force when it hits the target.

What weapons are suitable for space? I doubt any besides as you mentioned, energy weapons.


Imagining the lack of gravity is making my head spin. :shock:

I guess the lack of friction once fired (no air) and again no gravity pulling it in any direction ... the bullet should keep going at the same speed infinitely .... until it meets an object. :?
Well, yes, but there is also light and energy in space too. While there are no physical items in most space to cause any friction, photons hitting the bullet head on would slow it down and maybe millions of years of years of getting hit by photons going in the opposite direction it could theoretically be stopped.
(think of a solar sail)
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Postby Novus » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:42 am

zan wrote:My apologies and anger at wasting an hour watching a pointless documentary on "Space wars"...... :evil: :evil: :evil:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 359AAR0ihp
Oh damn, I see you already found the answers.
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Postby zan » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:55 am

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:My apologies and anger at wasting an hour watching a pointless documentary on "Space wars"...... :evil: :evil: :evil:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 359AAR0ihp


OK ... So once it fires, there will be nothing to slow the bullet down, it will just keep going into deep space, until it collides with an object ... right? :?

Whereas on Earth it has a limited trajectory!
(caused by friction and gravity)


How many more hits do you need to fill the quota for this month then Stella???? :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Small Step for a Man ... Giant Leap for Mankind!

Postby Oracle » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:57 am

Novus wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:
Oracle wrote:
How can you shoot something in space .. gravity? :? .. vacuum? :? avoid getting your space-suit punctured :shock:

Other than lasers .. what kind of weapons do we have that are suitable for space?
I didn't see this post. I I think I answered most of it already though.
The vacuum would not affect the function of the bullet or the firing of the cartridge. The lack of gravity might cause problems though. It would make the firer spin on an axis at the least, but because of inertia (right word?) of the firer that has to be overcome, the bullet will still have force when it hits the target.

What weapons are suitable for space? I doubt any besides as you mentioned, energy weapons.


Imagining the lack of gravity is making my head spin. :shock:

I guess the lack of friction once fired (no air) and again no gravity pulling it in any direction ... the bullet should keep going at the same speed infinitely .... until it meets an object. :?
Well, yes, but there is also light and energy in space too. While there are no physical items in most space to cause any friction, photons hitting the bullet head on would slow it down and maybe millions of years of years of getting hit by photons going in the opposite direction it could theoretically be stopped.
(think of a solar sail)


Interesting proposition. :D

But the photons would not be bombarding the speeding bullet uni-directionally.

Since the bullet cannot travel faster than the speed of light ... it will have multi-directional but random collisions from photons.

Photons are discrete electromagnetic waves (last time I looked in a physics book anyway :? ) which would transmit energy to said traversing bullet.

The actions of the photons, would cancel each other out in terms of any force effects ... save for transferring the energy which would serve to make the bullet energised (speed up even .. I cannot do the maths ... but I will have a go .... :shock: )
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