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[Novus]

You are fortunate, you live in a country where advise is on hand in most areas.
Are you a member of thehighroad.org ? Those guys really know their stuff and I have used the site for advise in the past.
Taking a gun apart is all about time, never rush. I bought a £20 gun to start on, if I remember it was a Baikal, very solid but nothing fiddly.

Yes, I am a member of The High Road. I haven't been visiting as much lately though. I am Novus Collectus there.
Those guys really do know their stuff, but The Firing Line are even more knowledgeable IMO, but that was over three years ago and things may have changed since.

Lol about the cheap gun advice. I did that actually, I bought an antique (made before 1899) bulldog style revolver for about $50 and when it broke I tried to fix it. About four years later it is still sitting in pieces in a drawer somewhere.

[dinos]

Automatic weapons may be handy in close combat, but don't provide much defense against nepalm and other such larger-scale weapons. It would also help of other countries mind their own business instead of pushing one country of a second country's back so that a third country could stomp on it when it was down...

Unless the entire population is killed off, the occupying force has to try and control the people and that is much harder when they are armed. For instance the US has million dollar missiles that can hit a postage stamp tens of miles away, the US has napalm and scatter bombs, but yet we have been getting our buts kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan for most of the past five years or so.

As far as talking about other countries butting into other's business, I assume you are talking about the US and the Turkish invasion. You will get no argument from me on that issue. I love the US, but when it comes to what it has done in the Cyprus situation I am ashamed.

I was speaking in generalities and wasn't trying to paint you into a corner...

Welcome, BTW...

[Novus]

Thank you for your welcome Dinos.

[Oracle]

I wonder if as a general rule, it is best to stop kids playing with toy guns.

May lead to less confusion about what they are really for, and what they can be made to do.

[Novus]

I wonder if as a general rule, it is best to stop kids playing with toy guns.

May lead to less confusion about what they are really for, and what they can be made to do.

I am of the thought that toy guns are a bad idea, but I do not tell parents they should not let their kids play with them. It does make me cringe though when they learn to point guns at people and pull the trigger.
The instances where toy guns would be ok in my book would be is if the kids are taught about gun responsibility and they learned not to point even toy guns at people.

Squirt guns are the exception. I see nothing wrong with squirt guns, even ones that look like real guns as long as the kids realize that other people may not know it is not real and point them at people that are not aware what it is. A squirt gun has a different psychological result IMO because it removes the mystery of what "might" happen if someone pulls the trigger thereby less likely to be confused or associated with the real thing. (if that made any sense)

[Oracle]

I wonder if as a general rule, it is best to stop kids playing with toy guns.

May lead to less confusion about what they are really for, and what they can be made to do.

I am of the thought that toy guns are a bad idea, but I do not tell parents they should not let their kids play with them. It does make me cringe though when they learn to point guns at people and pull the trigger.
The instances where toy guns would be ok in my book would be is if the kids are taught about gun responsibility and they learned not to point even toy guns at people.

Squirt guns are the exception. I see nothing wrong with squirt guns, even ones that look like real guns as long as the kids realize that other people may not know it is not real and point them at people that are not aware what it is. A squirt gun has a different psychological result IMO because it removes the mystery of what "might" happen if someone pulls the trigger thereby less likely to be confused or associated with the real thing. (if that made any sense)

What about paintball guns ...... and they hurt

[GorillaGal]

Welcome new member Novus.

Are you planning to take on the Turkish Army for us ?

Lol, I actually wondered about that.
Just like with how America is with everyone armed (well, about 40% of everyone armed with a firearm in their home actually) and how it would be idiotic to invade and occupy us, I imagine if Cypriots, and not just the military reserves, were well armed, the Turks might think twice about doing it again.

Think if thousands of Greek Cypriots in Farmagusta or Karenya had a quarter the weapons I have each and they stood their ground alongside the military (my knowledge Cypriot history is not detailed, so bear with me) or stayed and took on guerilla warfare with those weapons, then even if there would be a greater loss of life on both sides, the Turks may have realized it is not so easy and may not have stayed.
I understand I am being idealistic, but really, a well armed populace is always a damn good deterrent to invasion or suppression. Just look how well the Iraqi "insurgents" have been kicking our (as in my America's) ass all these years. They couldn't have done it nearly as well without guns already there dispersed among the people.
Look at how Hitler in a huge part was dissuaded from invading Switzerland.

Think about why so many Cyprus reservists are allowed to have fully auto assault rifles or hanguns in their homes right now. It is because a well armed populace is a great detterent, but what I propose is even the non-reservists (that are responsible and law abiding) be allowed to be just as armed thereby an even greater deterrent.

Now if peace for a hundred years is guaranteed and there is no threat of invasion or the possibility of an illegal and oppressive government taking control, then I can see no "defense of the people" need for arms, but looking back at milleniums of history we can see nothing is truly guaranteed in this world when dealing with human society given enough time.

where did you get these stats? i don't own a gun, nor do any of my friends. acording to your stats, at least some of them should.....

[purdey]

I believe the figures come from the NRA, I may need correcting on this, Novus.

[GorillaGal]

I believe the figures come from the NRA, I may need correcting on this, Novus.

they have to be off, unless us new yorkers are the only civilized people in the USA (which could be the case since we didn't vote Bush in office.)

[Novus]

I wonder if as a general rule, it is best to stop kids playing with toy guns.

May lead to less confusion about what they are really for, and what they can be made to do.

I am of the thought that toy guns are a bad idea, but I do not tell parents they should not let their kids play with them. It does make me cringe though when they learn to point guns at people and pull the trigger.
The instances where toy guns would be ok in my book would be is if the kids are taught about gun responsibility and they learned not to point even toy guns at people.

Squirt guns are the exception. I see nothing wrong with squirt guns, even ones that look like real guns as long as the kids realize that other people may not know it is not real and point them at people that are not aware what it is. A squirt gun has a different psychological result IMO because it removes the mystery of what "might" happen if someone pulls the trigger thereby less likely to be confused or associated with the real thing. (if that made any sense)

What about paintball guns ...... and they hurt

Paintball guns are fine. They can be dangerous, but I think only two people died from paintbal gun accidents in this country ever (total fluke accidents dealing with the CO2 cannister malfunction).
That is another item where they get to see the result too. A kid that uses paintball guns, and has been hit with one and feels the pain, will better realize the reality of what a real gun might do and better respect it.