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[Novus]

Most of the people who loves guns/shooting loves hunting too. At least in Cyprus. I know its not all but most of them.

As for your question....no its not the same thing since guns can hurt or kill people and animals but not the antiques, sports etc. Unless you were talking about collecting guns and not using them which I doubt.

Actually I have a few guns I collected which will never be used to fire a bullet. I do use almost all the rest though.

Here in the US only about half the 90 or so million gun owners have hunted. The rest own firearms for sport and/or for protection and/or for collecting/investment.

Ok, so the killing thing comparison comes into play. So collecting guns or being excited about them is like racing cars or collecting them. Cars are involved in more deaths a year than firearms in my country and in probably every country besides Thailand, Colombia and South Africa (they have very strict gun laws there by the way).
Cars have been used to murder police officers, cars kill hundreds of thousands of deer a year, cars can be used as weapons of mass muder even: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2JwUqZSHI

So when someone collects antique cars or likes working on cars and racing them, why does their hobby not have the stigma of killing too?

[Novus]

Automatic weapons may be handy in close combat, but don't provide much defense against nepalm and other such larger-scale weapons. It would also help of other countries mind their own business instead of pushing one country of a second country's back so that a third country could stomp on it when it was down...

Unless the entire population is killed off, the occupying force has to try and control the people and that is much harder when they are armed. For instance the US has million dollar missiles that can hit a postage stamp tens of miles away, the US has napalm and scatter bombs, but yet we have been getting our buts kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan for most of the past five years or so.

As far as talking about other countries butting into other's business, I assume you are talking about the US and the Turkish invasion. You will get no argument from me on that issue. I love the US, but when it comes to what it has done in the Cyprus situation I am ashamed.

[LENA]

Most of the people who loves guns/shooting loves hunting too. At least in Cyprus. I know its not all but most of them.

As for your question....no its not the same thing since guns can hurt or kill people and animals but not the antiques, sports etc. Unless you were talking about collecting guns and not using them which I doubt.

Actually I have a few guns I collected which will never be used to fire a bullet. I do use almost all the rest though.

Here in the US only about half the 90 or so million gun owners have hunted. The rest own firearms for sport and/or for protection and/or for collecting/investment.

Ok, so the killing thing comparison comes into play. So collecting guns or being excited about them is like racing cars or collecting them. Cars are involved in more deaths a year than firearms in my country and in probably every country besides Thailand, Colombia and South Africa (they have very strict gun laws there by the way).
Cars have been used to murder police officers, cars kill hundreds of thousands of deer a year, cars can be used as weapons of mass muder even: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2JwUqZSHI

So when someone collects antique cars or likes working on cars and racing them, why does their hobby not have the stigma of killing too?

You must be kidding me. You are right cars can kill as well but not the antiques that go with 50-60 Km/hour. Also cars are useful but not guns. If you collect them as i said its ok...but you use them...and as you said most of the people who have guns hunt as well so they do kill.

Now tell me that you use guns for something useful.

[Novus]

Most of the people who loves guns/shooting loves hunting too. At least in Cyprus. I know its not all but most of them.

As for your question....no its not the same thing since guns can hurt or kill people and animals but not the antiques, sports etc. Unless you were talking about collecting guns and not using them which I doubt.

Actually I have a few guns I collected which will never be used to fire a bullet. I do use almost all the rest though.

Here in the US only about half the 90 or so million gun owners have hunted. The rest own firearms for sport and/or for protection and/or for collecting/investment.

Ok, so the killing thing comparison comes into play. So collecting guns or being excited about them is like racing cars or collecting them. Cars are involved in more deaths a year than firearms in my country and in probably every country besides Thailand, Colombia and South Africa (they have very strict gun laws there by the way).
Cars have been used to murder police officers, cars kill hundreds of thousands of deer a year, cars can be used as weapons of mass muder even: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2JwUqZSHI

So when someone collects antique cars or likes working on cars and racing them, why does their hobby not have the stigma of killing too?

You must be kidding me. You are right cars can kill as well but not the antiques that go with 50-60 Km/hour. Also cars are useful but not guns. If you collect them as i said its ok...but you use them...and as you said most of the people who have guns hunt as well so they do kill.

Now tell me that you use guns for something useful.

Ever been hit by a car going just 30 miles an hour? I hear it hurts.
I also read somewhere that most vehicular collisions that result in pedestrian deaths occur at less than 40 MPH.

Yes, most guns can kill, but in America most guns are not used to kill anything. Most people that own guns have never hunted in their lives (just over half).
However, of the guns that are used for hunting, in many parts of this country hunting provides a good portion of the food families eat. For them that is useful and a practical purpose of the firearm.
Of the guns that are useful, well all of my guns are useful for something that have nothing to do with killing anything. Even though I have never needed to do this, my shotgun can be used as a flare gun, line throwing device, a door breeching device, a signalling device, a smelting tool (when fired), etc.
As far as my rifles, one of them can also be used as a flare gun and as a line throwing device.

(and yes, I do have flares for my shotgun and rounds that can be used for breeching in my closet just in case I need them)

But in any case, what is useful to me may not be considered useful to you. Using my guns for recreational target shooting is useful and very much so.

[purdey]

I have collected guns since I was 18. Always sporting guns, mostly older that come with a provenance. I married the daughter of a well known gunmaker, and then found I had a knack for taking guns to pieces and putting them back together again.
One thing led to another, I started going to auctions at Christies and Sotherbys and was facinated by the guns at auction but also the dealers and buyers from all over the world. From that day on I started to train as a gunmaker, I went to London first and the on to Birmingham and slowly learnt the art of making guns, engraving and stock making.
I am still learning some 20 years later, but I love the trade, fine guns, leather guncases and the history that goes with them. I am also a keen hunter and shoot all over the world when I get time.
Somebody quiet correctly said "guns don't kill, people do" .

[Novus]

I have collected guns since I was 18. Always sporting guns, mostly older that come with a provenance. I married the daughter of a well known gunmaker, and then found I had a knack for taking guns to pieces and putting them back together again.
One thing led to another, I started going to auctions at Christies and Sotherbys and was facinated by the guns at auction but also the dealers and buyers from all over the world. From that day on I started to train as a gunmaker, I went to London first and the on to Birmingham and slowly learnt the art of making guns, engraving and stock making.
I am still learning some 20 years later, but I love the trade, fine guns, leather guncases and the history that goes with them. I am also a keen hunter and shoot all over the world when I get time.
Somebody quiet correctly said "guns don't kill, people do" .

I envy you. I am afraid to even take apart my guns beyond field strip for cleaning because I don't think I will ever be able to put them back together again.
I am fascinated by the workmanship and the mechanics of guns though and wish I could take them apart for study.

[Novus]

That makes me wonder something else now. Is there a firearms collector's license in Cyprus so one can collect curio and relic handguns and rifles on the island? What about museums and such too?

[purdey]

You are fortunate, you live in a country where advise is on hand in most areas.
Are you a member of thehighroad.org ? Those guys really know their stuff and I have used the site for advise in the past.
Taking a gun apart is all about time, never rush. I bought a £20 gun to start on, if I remember it was a Baikal, very solid but nothing fiddly.

[purdey]

Pan will be able to help you on curios in Cyprus. I believe they have to be de-activated and licensed as such. I am sure there will be hundreds hidden in cupboards, and stored in store rooms of museums.

[Novus]

Pan will be able to help you on curios in Cyprus. I believe they have to be de-activated and licensed as such. I am sure there will be hundreds hidden in cupboards, and stored in store rooms of museums.

Yeah, I've heard stories from some people about some interesting guns up in the mountains that are still functioning.

What is the penalty for having an illegal firearm? (not that I would have one)