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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:12 pm

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umit07 wrote:Lena is in Cyprus Problem section :shock: :shock: . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.


Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!! :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Kikapu my dear have you forgotten that you had some of my "tongue lashing" back then? Thanks for your good words by the way.


:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

I thought we had agreed that all your "tongue lashings" on me were to be kept as a secret between us, so not to get all the others jealous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have let the cat out of the bag now girl.! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby LENA » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:19 pm

Kikapu wrote:
LENA wrote:
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umit07 wrote:Lena is in Cyprus Problem section :shock: :shock: . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.


Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!! :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Kikapu my dear have you forgotten that you had some of my "tongue lashing" back then? Thanks for your good words by the way.


:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

I thought we had agreed that all your "tongue lashings" on me were to be kept as a secret between us, so not to get all the others jealous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have let the cat out of the bag now girl.! :lol: :lol: :lol:


I dont remember any agreement like that with you or anyone else.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way are you sure it was a cat that I let out or a dog? :wink:
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Postby Talisker » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:55 pm

Although not strictly the subject of this thread, the struggle to ascertain a cultural and national identity is crucial to determining 'who should stay and who should go'. This article discusses the problems in defining a Turkish Cypriot identity.
http://www.yenikibris.org/kitap/a_an/identity.htm
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:19 pm

Talisker wrote:Although not strictly the subject of this thread, the struggle to ascertain a cultural and national identity is crucial to determining 'who should stay and who should go'. This article discusses the problems in defining a Turkish Cypriot identity.
http://www.yenikibris.org/kitap/a_an/identity.htm


Talisker ... I understand your deep held regard to remain liberal ... but this presentation is very confusing :?

In order for progress to be felt .. people may need to drop to one or other side of the fence..

Are you suggesting that the Turks have a cultural identity in Cyprus equal to that of the thousands of years of Greek Cypriot identity ... :P
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Postby Talisker » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:47 pm

Oracle wrote:
Talisker wrote:Although not strictly the subject of this thread, the struggle to ascertain a cultural and national identity is crucial to determining 'who should stay and who should go'. This article discusses the problems in defining a Turkish Cypriot identity.
http://www.yenikibris.org/kitap/a_an/identity.htm


Talisker ... I understand your deep held regard to remain liberal ... but this presentation is very confusing :?

In order for progress to be felt .. people may need to drop to one or other side of the fence..

Are you suggesting that the Turks have a cultural identity in Cyprus equal to that of the thousands of years of Greek Cypriot identity ... :P

No, you know very well I am suggesting nothing of the sort. :roll:

If you read the article you will see one of the opening lines in the abstract is 'The following article examines the activities among the Turkish Cypriots for the establishment of a written history of the Turkish Cypriot Culture, through which their identity can be reflected'.

The author then compares the GC and TC situation regarding recorded evidence and legacy providing a basis for a cultural identity. 'The Greek Cypriots recorded their cultural history in various works and prepared them for the usage of the coming generations. On the other hand, the Turkish Cypriots have not even thought of this subject! They also neglected every period of the history of Cyprus. Where is a history of literature? Where is a history of administration? Even their general history was written in a simple text book'.

If you care to read on you will find the following passage '..........in order to find the answer to the question “Who are we?”. Especially after 1974, when the Turkish Cypriots concentrated themselves on the 37% northern territory of the island as Turkey partitioned Cyprus by the use of force, the Turkish Cypriots formed a new structure, which is economically, militarily and politically dependent on the Republic of Turkey, who strictly controls this region and the established order and balances of the Turkish Cypriot community have changed in a great scale. The problem of protecting our original Cypriot identity against the cultural assimilation, which gained importance from our subject’s point of view, has forced the Turkish Cypriot intellectuals to think of this situation constantly and to do various actions against it. During the ongoing conflict between the mainland Turkish and Turkish Cypriot identity, some crisis and searches for identity have emerged'.......which I think you will agree is pertinant to the topic within this thread.

Regarding the establishment of a Cypriot national identity 'It is a fact that the Greek Cypriots or the Turkish Cypriots are culturally under the influence of Greece and Turkey respectively. But the crystallization of the Cypriot identity and the formation of our political togetherness can only be possible by conscious resistance to the assimilating influences of these both external cultures and by disseminating and developing our local cultural characteristics of Cyprus'.

IMHO this is an interesting critical analysis from a Turkish or TC author about the difficulties and confusion of understanding a TC identity. Need I copy and paste further?
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:08 pm

LENA wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
LENA wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
umit07 wrote:Lena is in Cyprus Problem section :shock: :shock: . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.


Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!! :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Kikapu my dear have you forgotten that you had some of my "tongue lashing" back then? Thanks for your good words by the way.


:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

I thought we had agreed that all your "tongue lashings" on me were to be kept as a secret between us, so not to get all the others jealous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You have let the cat out of the bag now girl.! :lol: :lol: :lol:


I dont remember any agreement like that with you or anyone else.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

By the way are you sure it was a cat that I let out or a dog? :wink:


I believe your exact words were, "Wow, what an Animal".!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:38 am

Umit said:

"Nobody is happy about it! But at the moment many of them are not citizens . Those who are NOT citizens and are cannot get a working permit can go back. But there around 60,000 that are citizens which we are obliged to protect their rights. BBF would be between TRNC citizens and GC's. Talat and Co are trying to clamp down citizenships to a minimum in about 4 years only around 1500 people have been granted citizenship. UBP and co however are promising to hand out much more if they get elected."

If you are not happy with the situation now, just imagine how unhappy you will be when mainland Turks with TC nationality compete for the best jobs, and in Cyprus that means government jobs, after a settlement. Naturally these people will not be competing with GCs in the south or the for the guaranteed GC jobs in the federal government, they will be competing with TCs.

Above and beyond this there is the confusing insistence on looking after foreigner before we examine the interests of Cypriots in the future. The primary concern for a true Cypriot government would be, at least to my thinking, turning Cyprus into a homeland for CYPRIOTS everywhere and encouraginv them to return. Thousands of Cypriots left because of the political and economic hardships of the past. Ignoring them while bothering with imported settlers makes nonsense of any solution talk. If this is offical part of the talks and the intention for the future then let the policiticians of BOTH sides state it openly and clearly.

One simple way to encourage the settlers to go is to translate word for word (change the place names of course!) the oath of allegiance and treason laws of the USA, after all it is a federation too which has many naturalised citizens. See how they like this system!!!!

EU citizens who live in Cyprus are not part of this problem. There is no need to confuse the issue by bringing them into the discussion. They have no citizenship or residence problems.
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:00 pm

our friend recently returned home from the uk to the north. he is finding it very hard to adjust.
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:02 pm

our friend recently returned home from the uk to the north. he is finding it very hard to adjust.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:12 pm

Talisker wrote:IMHO this is an interesting critical analysis from a Turkish or TC author about the difficulties and confusion of understanding a TC identity. Need I copy and paste further?


Ahmet An is a highly respected Turkish Cypriot researcher. Very interesting articles by him are published in the United Cyprus Party's monthly newspaper.

The text that you have provided a link to reads like a translation from Turkish. One has to question whether it is an authorised translation, and how accurate it is.

Turkish Cypriots have a very unique and distinctive culture, and speak a dialect of Turkish that is very different from the mainland variety.
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