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[Oracle]

Tim we all know there are rules to be followed as part of a co-operative, civilised approach to living with neighbours.

But just because you don't get carted off immediately, it does not mean your indiscretions are ignored.

Even a handshake can be admissible as evidence when push comes to shove.

Why is it this one country, Turkey, which continually, totally disregards all agreements and recommendations for conduct, which it thinks it can get away with?

However, the evidence is mounting up, and just like other such regimes and violators reached their tipping points, Turkey's is fast approaching too.

Since the signing of the Geneva Convention, it has been breached countless times by many states, including ones that are held in high international standing.

Tim most countries are in breach of something or other.

What we have here with Turkey is exceptional!

They are systematic abusers and violators of a record number of agreements and resolutions.

Yes they will get away with them for a time ... most such violators have done so, for decades too ... but the tide is changing, there is more cohesion between countries ... Europe is finally matured enough to figure up there with the US and to hold nearly as much clout as the UN.

How many International bodies does Turkey think it can cock-a-hoot at and for how long before it meets its come-uppance .... or do you doubt it will?

[umit07]

I believe if we ever come to a solution this will be a bigger problem from the actual Cyprus problem. Ok lets say that all the Turks who came during the 1974 or afterwards they have to live...what is going to happen with them who got married with TC...they going to send to Turkey the father lets day who is a Turk and live the TC wife in Cyprus? What about the kids? Are they Cypriots or Turks coming from a marriage like this one? What about the Turks who came and live in north Cyprus for 30-34 years? What about the children of two Turks who were born and grow up in Cyprus...are they Cypriots or not? If and when that moment come you will see that all the Turks will find a way to be Cypriots. By the way of I am not mistaken British, American has build houses and moved to north of Cyprus...what is going to happen with them if they build on GC land? Are they going to have the same luck with the Turks who have done the same? Just curious.


Also one other big problem...what is going to happen with all the new hotels, houses, villas, casinos that were build on GC land. Who owns them? The ones who one the land or the ones who payed thousands to build them? Who is going to pay money to whom?

I think you should all think about who is going to go from the Greek side as well. You are all assuming that everyone in the south has a right to be there and only those in the TRNC need to be scrutinised and sent packing. You are also assuming that the GCs are the only ones who will decide.

none of those people you say came with a gun and army to live in Cyprus

I think that if push comes to shove Lena, many will be seen to with Greek aggression as it was. Every single person that came to live in the "RoC" after 1963 came with the gun and an army...A Greek one. Sorry but it is a matter of perception and whilst you see those in the TRNC as coming with an army I see the same on the other side.

Just a correction which I saw from your previous post. I never said that GC will take the decision who is going to stay or not. If GC took all the decisions why we still have a divided island?

As for the people you say...well yes I agree with you that not all of them came as I said...many Greeks came afterwards because of the Turkish invasion. Not that I believe that if something happen they will help that much. If the Greek army leave do you agree that all the Turkish troops, all the Turks who came to inhabit the island will leave too? By the way...if I am no mistake its Turkey who hold almost half of the island and not Greece.

If you ask me I dont want the British who hold part of the island, the Turks or the Greeks. I want only Cypriots.

Lena is in Cyprus Problem section . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.

[Kikapu]

Lena is in Cyprus Problem section . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.

Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!!

[umit07]

Lena is in Cyprus Problem section . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.

Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!!

Ever since I've been around she harly ever posts over here. Could be that I scared her away with my arrival . What are you up to? I see you have been busy with Zan and VP!

Getting back to the topic , 34 years have past since the uncontrolable influx of people from Turkey have been arriving. By now some families would be on the third generation , I don't think that any international body would see it fit to deport someone on the grounds that their grandparents arrived "illegally" .


PS: I've been trying to find info on property issues that arised after the fall of the Berlin wall but couldn't find any good material. Would be grateful for some links or info on the matter.

[Kikapu]

Lena is in Cyprus Problem section . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.

Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!!

Ever since I've been around she harly ever posts over here. Could be that I scared her away with my arrival . What are you up to? I see you have been busy with Zan and VP!

Getting back to the topic , 34 years have past since the uncontrolable influx of people from Turkey have been arriving. By now some families would be on the third generation , I don't think that any international body would see it fit to deport someone on the grounds that their grandparents arrived "illegally" .


PS: I've been trying to find info on property issues that arised after the fall of the Berlin wall but couldn't find any good material. Would be grateful for some links or info on the matter.

Ever since I've been around she harly ever posts over here. Could be that I scared her away with my arrival .

She took off for a while before you joined perhaps, so in a way, you probably had something with her going away.!

I see you have been busy with Zan and VP!

Yeah I know. Zan and VP were abused growing up in the UK, so needless to say, they have a lot of issues that they just can't deal with, so I'm trying to help them to close those dark chapters from the past and open new ones for their futures. I tell you, it is a lot of hard work Umit07. It is just like the saying, "you can take the mule to the water, but you can't make him drink it". Same with these two abused guys. No matter how hard I try to prevent them from making an ASS of themselves, they want to rebel.!! I'm a very patient person however, therefore I'm willing to see to their recovery to full health.

Getting back to the topic , 34 years have past since the uncontrolable influx of people from Turkey have been arriving. By now some families would be on the third generation , I don't think that any international body would see it fit to deport someone on the grounds that their grandparents arrived "illegally" .

I don't think these reasons alone will prevent them from being sent back home. They are after all, Turkish Nationals no matter if they were born in the "trnc" or the RoC for that matter and not lost people without a country. Some exceptions will be made of course, but the rest will go back, or else, they will be discriminated by the majority of Cypriots if they remain behind, including by the TC's themselves, once they are free to express their feelings in a free and democratic Cyprus. Most of the TC's in the north have been muzzled right now, or else VP types will want to go and see them and their families with their gang, as VP was trying to get information on my family members in the north, so that he can pay a visit to them.

Also, once these settlers are told to vacate the GC's properties where they have enjoyed rent free homes for 30+ years, how on earth are they going to survive in the northern state of Cyprus when everything will become more expensive than they are now. These people will become the responsibility of the northern state's administration to pay them welfare and house them. There will be some Federal Funds for these people, but the Federal Government will not want to turn the whole island into a welfare state, otherwise all the settlers will bring all their lost uncles from Turkey to enjoy the "free life" in Cyprus.

PS: I've been trying to find info on property issues that arised after the fall of the Berlin wall but couldn't find any good material. Would be grateful for some links or info on the matter.

I really do not know what happened. But now that you got my curiosity going, I'll look into it also. However, most people in East and West Germany more or less remained in their own homes, therefore they were not ethnically cleansed but were rather forced to live under the Soviets, those who were unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the divide. I know you asked about Berlin specifically, and I believe it was similar to the East and West Germany situation, but will look into it.

[Tim Drayton]

Re property issues in post-reunification Germany:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_11133976

http://www.foothill.fhda.edu/divisions/ ... ution.html

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/int08.htm

[Magnus]

Most of the TC's in the north have been muzzled right now, or else VP types will want to go and see them and their families with their gang, as VP was trying to get information on my family members in the north, so that he can pay a visit to them.

VP has a gang?

[Tim Drayton]

Most of the TC's in the north have been muzzled right now, or else VP types will want to go and see them and their families with their gang, as VP was trying to get information on my family members in the north, so that he can pay a visit to them.

VP has a gang?

Not A gang, THE gang.

[Oracle]

Most of the TC's in the north have been muzzled right now, or else VP types will want to go and see them and their families with their gang, as VP was trying to get information on my family members in the north, so that he can pay a visit to them.

VP has a gang?

Yup ... they are all there, in his avatar

..... and he is the indisputable leader

[LENA]

Lena is in Cyprus Problem section . You must be really bored . Do not let anyone scare you off ! This section does need some new blood and it would be interesting to hear things from a younger perspective.

Lena has always been in the "Cyprus Problem" section long before you joined Umit07.!

I always enjoy seeing her giving VP a lot of "tongue lashings", specially on morality.!!

Kikapu my dear have you forgotten that you had some of my "tongue lashing" back then? Thanks for your good words by the way.


Well yes, Kikapu is right UmitO7, I used to post a lot in the Cyprus Problem section just to keep the boys in order. I kind of miss that period. Sometimes to spend that much time in the Cyprus problem section makes you want to stay away for long time. When i try to come back I did not find it interesting.

Back to the topic. As Kikapu mention all those settlers that enjoy the "free" life in Cyprus I supposed they will be forced to go back to Turkey. What I wonder is why it should be a responsibility of Cyprus and not Turkeys. They brought them on the island and they have to take them back.