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[LENA]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

VP read again, I did not mention the TC but the Turks....Most of the TC I know they own a house which was a TC house. But I dont have a doubt if there are TC like yourself that could demolish everything. As for what I said about the TC house ... I said repair....fix them....not demolish them. And they wont own them....does this tells you something? Turks gave the GC homes and land to the settlers or they sell it to who ever had money. And whoever lives in a GC house at the moment they demand it as well, they say that they own it and belong to them. I never said that we never demolish any TC houses or were used. But even if that is something that changed now...well what your side have done apart from playing games and demanding half of the island?

Firstly the proposed 29% with total mobility is not 50% of the island, with regards to your comments which are very sweeping and can be taken with a pinch of salt as many TCs homes and property in the south have either been demolished or used by your "Government" there are plenty of examples of ill kept properties so you can only criticise the other side when your own house is in order which it clearly is not. TCs are full aware and prepared to hand back GC property Guzelyury is a prime example of this fact they vote YES to the AP knowing full well they would be made refugees yet again.

Allow me to draw that for you!
VP i did not mention the TC. As I said earlier I know that TC will hand back the houses or they do not live in a GC house. Also I said that I know that we are not much better either and that we have destroy TC properties etc .

Keep these points in your mind:
1. Birkiblisli and Kikapu mention in their stories that they found TC village and houses touched by the years and not the GC. (They are both TC)

2. When the borders open GC visited their homes and found Turks in there, not letting them even to go in and have a look. They said that they own those houses and did not belong to the GC. Some others did not find any houses. They were demolished and rebuild or they just found the rocks.

3. GC government gave permission to repair the house but they will never own them ... meaning that will repair them but those houses will belong to TC. Its something they have done for the TC rights. We, "the enemies" according to you, want to protect your land and houses from the years.

And what you have done? You start arguing about percentages and the AP.


The last couple of months I hear about the TC rights, about the TC properties, about the TC not wanting to loose their Turkishness, about the TC demand things from the GC government, about the TC being disappointed . . . and to be honest at this point I am so sick of those demands and feelings. I am sorry for that. If you remember VP I was the one in favor of the TC around here and trying to put your side of the story out there too. I heard so many time the Anan Plan and the lost trust for us that I am so sick of it. You lost your trust to us because of the No. You try to make us all feel sorry like we never suffer, like we were not there, like we cause all that by ourselves.

We lost trust because of 1963 to 1974 the AP plan was just confirmation that GCs still have the same mentality as they did back then.

The 29% was to bring home to you that we do not want 50% of the island.

The majority of your properties are still in place and being looked after if we agree a solution where return is included they will be returned no one is saying anything different.

You are just waking up to the fact why we have had problems solving the Cyprus problem for so long and that there is an ever increasing chasm between us continues to do s because we have different demands due to our past experiencies. I for one do not believe we will resolve jack shit thats why imo the viable solution is agree partition.

Partition is not a solution VP. It just a way to tell you that we like what Turkey is doing to us and we want a threesome.

I prefer no solution instead of give up from my country.

As for loosing your trust what we have to say about the TC that all suddenly blame us for everything, that they want a lot more that what belongs to them and is fair to take...I dont understand why we have to apologize for everything all the time. Why we have to bend our head and say sorry like we never suffered, like all that did not harm and hurt our bodies and souls.

Why 29% VP? Because you are the 29% of the population or is it because you want the Turks with you as well. You got offended when I mention the Turks and not the TC. I wonder if you were going to act like that if I said TC instead of Turks.

Thank God there are still TC who are not like you at all and we keep our hopes.

[LENA]

Lena

Andrea mou, I dont understand the way you think. How its going to be solve itself within ten years as you said? Nothing happened in 34 year why these ten years will change everything? I start loosing my hopes that GC and TC will get what we deserve as you said.

Lena mou, I sometimes dunno how I think either darling. Sometimes do not take me serious I have a patern of reacting to what the Turks say on here.

But my point is that the numbers of TC's are diminishing because they are all fed up of living under Turkey's rule. They hoped for a better future and they got shit. Their numbers are down to 55,000, in a few years they will be very few older people left and I wonder if the world will allow the occupation to continue if there are no TC's left to save from the mean GC's.

In any case I hope there is no solution because the solution is build on pressure from the EU and I feel Christofias will let the GC's down big time to find a quick solution. From recent news reports I fear that he has lost the upper hand and has allowed Talat to call the shots.

I dont blame you. This subject is crazy and every time I visit this section i loose my hopes.

But still i dont see how this problem will be sorted since the problem is not the TC is the Turks and as far as I know they are millions. I am also afraid that you might be right with Christofiaw as well. They want a solution no matter what while he is a president. I worry that this solution wont be the best. I prefer no solution instead of unfair one.

[humanist]

Lena mou, I think you are too kind. The problem are the TC's because some of them and you only have to look at the coments and postings of some of the TC's on here you will see that they continue to support Turkey and its violations of human rights. Even the one's who claim not to hate GC's continue to violate human rights by supporting the Turkish regime. I think that Christofias is gullible and believes that the TC's are his best mates or at least he can make TC's best mates. Most of them on this forum believe that its okay to take someones home and other property live in it, use it, and sell it. None of them are actually saying no to these atrocities.

I am planning on getting a voting diary or whatever it is called so that I can vote for or against a solution pending on how fair I think its is.

I want to touch on the coment above that you say the problem is not TC's and I say that it is. Those who feel strongly about a fair and just solution can move to the south and that would be a good way to show to Turkey they want a solution. Really it is simple. They could hold more rallies and they could team up with GC's if they really do not want to support Turkey. But all you have to do is look to the VP's and Zan's posts to see that the TC's do not want a solution.

I believe that the RoC needs to toughen its stance on TC's by not allowing in them to access RoC services and employment.

[kafenes]

Lena mou, I think you are too kind. The problem are the TC's because some of them and you only have to look at the coments and postings of some of the TC's on here you will see that they continue to support Turkey and its violations of human rights. Even the one's who claim not to hate GC's continue to violate human rights by supporting the Turkish regime. I think that Christofias is gullible and believes that the TC's are his best mates or at least he can make TC's best mates. Most of them on this forum believe that its okay to take someones home and other property live in it, use it, and sell it. None of them are actually saying no to these atrocities.

I am planning on getting a voting diary or whatever it is called so that I can vote for or against a solution pending on how fair I think its is.

I want to touch on the coment above that you say the problem is not TC's and I say that it is. Those who feel strongly about a fair and just solution can move to the south and that would be a good way to show to Turkey they want a solution. Really it is simple. They could hold more rallies and they could team up with GC's if they really do not want to support Turkey. But all you have to do is look to the VP's and Zan's posts to see that the TC's do not want a solution.

I believe that the RoC needs to toughen its stance on TC's by not allowing in them to access RoC services and employment.

Andreas, I must disagree with you. Disregard comments posted here by some so called TCs, they don't represent the true TCs and I even doubt they are TCs. Turkey wouldn't want anything more then TCs to move to the south, that would suit them just fine. I am glad the TCs are hanging in there and realise they need help and the only people who can really help them are the GCs. As Cypriots, we must stick together at this tough times and help each other. I am pretty convinced that Christofias and Talat have something cooking.

[denizaksulu]

Lena

Andrea mou, I dont understand the way you think. How its going to be solve itself within ten years as you said? Nothing happened in 34 year why these ten years will change everything? I start loosing my hopes that GC and TC will get what we deserve as you said.

Lena mou, I sometimes dunno how I think either darling. Sometimes do not take me serious I have a patern of reacting to what the Turks say on here.

But my point is that the numbers of TC's are diminishing because they are all fed up of living under Turkey's rule. They hoped for a better future and they got shit. Their numbers are down to 55,000, in a few years they will be very few older people left and I wonder if the world will allow the occupation to continue if there are no TC's left to save from the mean GC's.

In any case I hope there is no solution because the solution is build on pressure from the EU and I feel Christofias will let the GC's down big time to find a quick solution. From recent news reports I fear that he has lost the upper hand and has allowed Talat to call the shots.

Humanist my friend, some times I despair when reading VP's tales. Just ignore him. He is far removed from the realities, so much that even sweet Lena is reacting. Personally I hate the way the Northern admin is 'looking after' GC property. VP is just burying his head in the sand.

[LENA]

Lena mou, I think you are too kind. The problem are the TC's because some of them and you only have to look at the coments and postings of some of the TC's on here you will see that they continue to support Turkey and its violations of human rights. Even the one's who claim not to hate GC's continue to violate human rights by supporting the Turkish regime. I think that Christofias is gullible and believes that the TC's are his best mates or at least he can make TC's best mates. Most of them on this forum believe that its okay to take someones home and other property live in it, use it, and sell it. None of them are actually saying no to these atrocities.

I am planning on getting a voting diary or whatever it is called so that I can vote for or against a solution pending on how fair I think its is.

I want to touch on the coment above that you say the problem is not TC's and I say that it is. Those who feel strongly about a fair and just solution can move to the south and that would be a good way to show to Turkey they want a solution. Really it is simple. They could hold more rallies and they could team up with GC's if they really do not want to support Turkey. But all you have to do is look to the VP's and Zan's posts to see that the TC's do not want a solution.

I believe that the RoC needs to toughen its stance on TC's by not allowing in them to access RoC services and employment.

Andreas, I must disagree with you. Disregard comments posted here by some so called TCs, they don't represent the true TCs and I even doubt they are TCs. Turkey wouldn't want anything more then TCs to move to the south, that would suit them just fine. I am glad the TCs are hanging in there and realise they need help and the only people who can really help them are the GCs. As Cypriots, we must stick together at this tough times and help each other. I am pretty convinced that Christofias and Talat have something cooking.

Andrea mou I will have to agree with Kafenes. I understand where your frustrations comes from but the TCs are not all like VP and Zan. Take for example Kikapu, TC, Bir, Iceman etc. Even Zan admitted that he saw TC that do not want the Turks and they want some sort of solution. Both of them in the past admitted that they want unification deep inside of them, but then there other things that make them want the partition and one of them is Turkey. Some of the GC around here do not represent all the GC either. We have fanatics as well and we have GC that are in love with Greece and they call themselves Greeks instead of Cypriots. Dont take everything from this forum and generalize it. Please dont lose your hopes. We need you here.

Being able to vote will be great. I know a guy who has a golden heart, who cares about human beings and who is not racist. His name is Andreas. He sometimes get frustrated because of VP and Zan. I dont blame him but I dont want him to change his believes either. Will you do me a favour and tell him that?

[humanist]

Thanks guys, you know when I joint this forum 2 years ago I wanted to join in because I felt there was hope if a group of us can start the dialogue.

Deniz, whislt I find the GC property issue annoying, unfair and disgusting, for me is not as crucial as the belief system we hold about each other. I am happy to say that whilst I appreciate that VP and Zan are not a reflection of all Cypriots of Turkish descent I find Talat's behaviour innapropriate for someone who is going to shortly may be represent me as a Cypriot. Whereas I have to say Christofias on the other hand talks about all Cypriots and of brotherhood/ sisterhood.