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[Nikitas]

International experience shows that people gravitate to where employment and money is. The UN said that in 2007 half the world's population lived in cities and the trend continues. In Turkey, Istanbul now has 13 million, in Greece half the population lives in and around Athens, the same scenario plays out in most countries. The same will happen in Cyprus whether we like it or not.

The facts show that Nicosia, Limassol and Famagusta will be the population centers. The artificial division of the BBF will not last very long. And the problem is how the politicians will respond to the fluidity of population movement.

[humanist]

I really don't care who stays or who goes. I hope there is no solution with this upcoming meetings because I am confodent the problem will solve itself in the next ten years. End of story as of now Istop caring if TC's are made obselite or not. It's their own doing and arogance. I just hope Christofias doesn't setle for anything less than what the GC's deserve and that is their right to return to their homes and have free access to all of their country.

[LENA]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

VP read again, I did not mention the TC but the Turks....Most of the TC I know they own a house which was a TC house. But I dont have a doubt if there are TC like yourself that could demolish everything. As for what I said about the TC house ... I said repair....fix them....not demolish them. And they wont own them....does this tells you something? Turks gave the GC homes and land to the settlers or they sell it to who ever had money. And whoever lives in a GC house at the moment they demand it as well, they say that they own it and belong to them. I never said that we never demolish any TC houses or were used. But even if that is something that changed now...well what your side have done apart from playing games and demanding half of the island?

[LENA]

I really don't care who stays or who goes. I hope there is no solution with this upcoming meetings because I am confodent the problem will solve itself in the next ten years. End of story as of now Istop caring if TC's are made obselite or not. It's their own doing and arogance. I just hope Christofias doesn't setle for anything less than what the GC's deserve and that is their right to return to their homes and have free access to all of their country.

Andrea mou, I dont understand the way you think. How its going to be solve itself within ten years as you said? Nothing happened in 34 year why these ten years will change everything? I start loosing my hopes that GC and TC will get what we deserve as you said.

[Nikitas]

Re the demolition of GC houses in the north. In my grandfathers village in the Morphou area the TCs who live there explained why they demolished my grandfather's house and other houses. It was, they said, to prevent having settlers brought in to occupy these houses. Some of the orange groves in the area are managed by foreign companies and one TC man said they were Israeli.

Generally the houses are in disrepair because the TC occupiers do not believe that they will ever have full legal right to them. Most of the people are from Polis and all of the ones asked think that Polis is a better area to live than the village.

[Viewpoint]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

VP read again, I did not mention the TC but the Turks....Most of the TC I know they own a house which was a TC house. But I dont have a doubt if there are TC like yourself that could demolish everything. As for what I said about the TC house ... I said repair....fix them....not demolish them. And they wont own them....does this tells you something? Turks gave the GC homes and land to the settlers or they sell it to who ever had money. And whoever lives in a GC house at the moment they demand it as well, they say that they own it and belong to them. I never said that we never demolish any TC houses or were used. But even if that is something that changed now...well what your side have done apart from playing games and demanding half of the island?

Firstly the proposed 29% with total mobility is not 50% of the island, with regards to your comments which are very sweeping and can be taken with a pinch of salt as many TCs homes and property in the south have either been demolished or used by your "Government" there are plenty of examples of ill kept properties so you can only criticise the other side when your own house is in order which it clearly is not. TCs are full aware and prepared to hand back GC property Guzelyury is a prime example of this fact they vote YES to the AP knowing full well they would be made refugees yet again.

[Nikitas]

One of the several communities of the island gets 29 per cent, the rest share the remainder (minus the British base area) and this is supposed to be fair.

We got off on the wrong foot on this fair thing from the beginning. It is nobody's fault but the GC politicians who insisted that the territorial arrangement was secondary to the political one. Bullshit! It is all about territory. It always was, always will be.

[LENA]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

VP read again, I did not mention the TC but the Turks....Most of the TC I know they own a house which was a TC house. But I dont have a doubt if there are TC like yourself that could demolish everything. As for what I said about the TC house ... I said repair....fix them....not demolish them. And they wont own them....does this tells you something? Turks gave the GC homes and land to the settlers or they sell it to who ever had money. And whoever lives in a GC house at the moment they demand it as well, they say that they own it and belong to them. I never said that we never demolish any TC houses or were used. But even if that is something that changed now...well what your side have done apart from playing games and demanding half of the island?

Firstly the proposed 29% with total mobility is not 50% of the island, with regards to your comments which are very sweeping and can be taken with a pinch of salt as many TCs homes and property in the south have either been demolished or used by your "Government" there are plenty of examples of ill kept properties so you can only criticise the other side when your own house is in order which it clearly is not. TCs are full aware and prepared to hand back GC property Guzelyury is a prime example of this fact they vote YES to the AP knowing full well they would be made refugees yet again.

Allow me to draw that for you!
VP i did not mention the TC. As I said earlier I know that TC will hand back the houses or they do not live in a GC house. Also I said that I know that we are not much better either and that we have destroy TC properties etc .

Keep these points in your mind:
1. Birkiblisli and Kikapu mention in their stories that they found TC village and houses touched by the years and not the GC. (They are both TC)

2. When the borders open GC visited their homes and found Turks in there, not letting them even to go in and have a look. They said that they own those houses and did not belong to the GC. Some others did not find any houses. They were demolished and rebuild or they just found the rocks.

3. GC government gave permission to repair the house but they will never own them ... meaning that will repair them but those houses will belong to TC. Its something they have done for the TC rights. We, "the enemies" according to you, want to protect your land and houses from the years.

And what you have done? You start arguing about percentages and the AP.


The last couple of months I hear about the TC rights, about the TC properties, about the TC not wanting to loose their Turkishness, about the TC demand things from the GC government, about the TC being disappointed . . . and to be honest at this point I am so sick of those demands and feelings. I am sorry for that. If you remember VP I was the one in favor of the TC around here and trying to put your side of the story out there too. I heard so many time the Anan Plan and the lost trust for us that I am so sick of it. You lost your trust to us because of the No. You try to make us all feel sorry like we never suffer, like we were not there, like we cause all that by ourselves.

[Viewpoint]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

VP read again, I did not mention the TC but the Turks....Most of the TC I know they own a house which was a TC house. But I dont have a doubt if there are TC like yourself that could demolish everything. As for what I said about the TC house ... I said repair....fix them....not demolish them. And they wont own them....does this tells you something? Turks gave the GC homes and land to the settlers or they sell it to who ever had money. And whoever lives in a GC house at the moment they demand it as well, they say that they own it and belong to them. I never said that we never demolish any TC houses or were used. But even if that is something that changed now...well what your side have done apart from playing games and demanding half of the island?

Firstly the proposed 29% with total mobility is not 50% of the island, with regards to your comments which are very sweeping and can be taken with a pinch of salt as many TCs homes and property in the south have either been demolished or used by your "Government" there are plenty of examples of ill kept properties so you can only criticise the other side when your own house is in order which it clearly is not. TCs are full aware and prepared to hand back GC property Guzelyury is a prime example of this fact they vote YES to the AP knowing full well they would be made refugees yet again.

Allow me to draw that for you!
VP i did not mention the TC. As I said earlier I know that TC will hand back the houses or they do not live in a GC house. Also I said that I know that we are not much better either and that we have destroy TC properties etc .

Keep these points in your mind:
1. Birkiblisli and Kikapu mention in their stories that they found TC village and houses touched by the years and not the GC. (They are both TC)

2. When the borders open GC visited their homes and found Turks in there, not letting them even to go in and have a look. They said that they own those houses and did not belong to the GC. Some others did not find any houses. They were demolished and rebuild or they just found the rocks.

3. GC government gave permission to repair the house but they will never own them ... meaning that will repair them but those houses will belong to TC. Its something they have done for the TC rights. We, "the enemies" according to you, want to protect your land and houses from the years.

And what you have done? You start arguing about percentages and the AP.


The last couple of months I hear about the TC rights, about the TC properties, about the TC not wanting to loose their Turkishness, about the TC demand things from the GC government, about the TC being disappointed . . . and to be honest at this point I am so sick of those demands and feelings. I am sorry for that. If you remember VP I was the one in favor of the TC around here and trying to put your side of the story out there too. I heard so many time the Anan Plan and the lost trust for us that I am so sick of it. You lost your trust to us because of the No. You try to make us all feel sorry like we never suffer, like we were not there, like we cause all that by ourselves.

We lost trust because of 1963 to 1974 the AP plan was just confirmation that GCs still have the same mentality as they did back then.

The 29% was to bring home to you that we do not want 50% of the island.

The majority of your properties are still in place and being looked after if we agree a solution where return is included they will be returned no one is saying anything different.

You are just waking up to the fact why we have had problems solving the Cyprus problem for so long and that there is an ever increasing chasm between us continues to do s because we have different demands due to our past experiencies. I for one do not believe we will resolve jack shit thats why imo the viable solution is agree partition.

[humanist]

Lena

Andrea mou, I dont understand the way you think. How its going to be solve itself within ten years as you said? Nothing happened in 34 year why these ten years will change everything? I start loosing my hopes that GC and TC will get what we deserve as you said.

Lena mou, I sometimes dunno how I think either darling. Sometimes do not take me serious I have a patern of reacting to what the Turks say on here.

But my point is that the numbers of TC's are diminishing because they are all fed up of living under Turkey's rule. They hoped for a better future and they got shit. Their numbers are down to 55,000, in a few years they will be very few older people left and I wonder if the world will allow the occupation to continue if there are no TC's left to save from the mean GC's.

In any case I hope there is no solution because the solution is build on pressure from the EU and I feel Christofias will let the GC's down big time to find a quick solution. From recent news reports I fear that he has lost the upper hand and has allowed Talat to call the shots.