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[Viewpoint]

VP it gives me great pleasure to sit back and watch your argument fall into the heap. Give it another three years with the current status quo and you see the shift. Lets see, I have land in Lemesos worth thousands of euro yet I live in a hovle in the occupied area. Hmmm I go to work to the free area, I have no problems, 2,500 TCs already live there they have no problems, my kids are screwed because they live in the occupied areas, am I responsible parent? yes? am outa here.

In the meantime I listen to what you are saying VP.

TCs do not live in hovels that is just something you wish was true so you can force us to accept your demands, you of all people shoudl know how sill your claim is, the standard of living compared to many new EU members is better and the youth of the TRNC have great education options locally, in Turkey the UK and USA. So if the status quo remains and we have another botched up attempt at find a solution the EU will take steps to relax isolation we cannot stay like this forever, things will improve in the north whether you like it or not, we have lived without you for 34 years we can do it for many more years to come. We will always be open to finding a formula to live under a BBF with political equality but we will not just throw away our rights because the GCs out numer us.

VP , You are certainly not taking realities into account. The European Union will relax the isolation but it would be conditional to the Turkish army withdrawing from HER lands. Turkey is not only occupying a part of Cyprus but now also a part of Europe . This is how the EU sees the situation in Cyprus. To continue with this charade that the T/Cs will be at a disadvantage in a united and Democratic Cyprus , or that their safety would be compromised does not hold much credence any more.

How will you guarantee this? what will be the penalty if this goes wrong?

[humanist]

no they wont the TC's are doing well in the occupied areas miltiades all 55,000 of them. So are the 250.000 settlers of all types including the irish settlers.

[denizaksulu]

This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.

Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.

VP, please wake up from your slumber. There are many that do. You generalise too much.

[humanist]

you have got to be kidding me now VP. If the TC number's that we have seen emerge on here in the last two weeks are alarming. Because 55,000 people and 3,000 of those cross the green line each day if the figures have not risen since last year. That my friend is a large number of TC's who stay where they because its all too much. Deep down they know they are in their country and they are safe, and very soon if there is no solution those TC's will begin migrating south. Sooner or later someone is going to catch on that hey I have property in Lemesos worth heaps and I am working in the south so why don't I move.

If there are genuine TC's who don't want to exploit GC's by taking htier land. Sooner or later a father will say to his children, children you have land in Larnaca. I can't help you financially in the trnc but I can give you, a block each to do as please. they either sell or build their homes, life is getting expensive VP and people will sooner or later realsie there is nothing keeping them from moving back to their villages.

[LENA]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

[Viewpoint]

you have got to be kidding me now VP. If the TC number's that we have seen emerge on here in the last two weeks are alarming. Because 55,000 people and 3,000 of those cross the green line each day if the figures have not risen since last year. That my friend is a large number of TC's who stay where they because its all too much. Deep down they know they are in their country and they are safe, and very soon if there is no solution those TC's will begin migrating south. Sooner or later someone is going to catch on that hey I have property in Lemesos worth heaps and I am working in the south so why don't I move.

If there are genuine TC's who don't want to exploit GC's by taking htier land. Sooner or later a father will say to his children, children you have land in Larnaca. I can't help you financially in the trnc but I can give you, a block each to do as please. they either sell or build their homes, life is getting expensive VP and people will sooner or later realsie there is nothing keeping them from moving back to their villages.

Your estimated figures do not support your argument as since the borders opened TCs do travel south for work but not many have taken up residency, this is no different than moving to Italy or Spain for work, the difference here being they can travel home every evening which they choose to do. The majority of TCs do not want to live under a GC administration, why is that so difficult to understand when you share the same feelings towards a TC administration?

[Viewpoint]

While I was on holidays at my mum's village in Paphos...my relatives mention that in a village near Panagia, which it was a mixed village in the past with TC and GC living together, government gave permission to whoever wants to pay and fixed the TC houses and use them. They wont own the house and they will pay a small amount as rent to the government. Cant remember the village at the moment but I think is Asprogia....I dont bet my head on that I might be wrong.

I guess its not happening the same thing on the other side right?
Sometimes I wonder if we are idiots. People blame us that we are not fair, that we want the TC to be minority, that we dont protect their rights.....a whole list of accusations and then I come across with something like that when i know that Turks live and own GC houses or even worst they demolish them to build bigger ones.

Your are blind TCs have looked after previously occupied GC homes well, the fact that they demolish and rebuild may have to be the same reason why so many TCs were demolished but not rebuilt, think about that Im sure you can work it out.

[Kikapu]

This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.

Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.

VP, please wake up from your slumber. There are many that do. You generalise too much.

Welcome back Deniz,

Can you and perhaps Iceman can write a lengthy post describing the realities on the ground in the "trnc" for the TC's so that we do not only get VP's version, which at best are inflated and at worse, are totally fictitious, which even Zan had opposing experience to VP's "fairy tales" on how the TC's and settlers get along. Also tell us how the TC's and GC's get along in the north and in the RoC.

Open a new thread............... "Deniz Uncovers".!!!

Thanks.

[zan]

This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.

Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.

VP, please wake up from your slumber. There are many that do. You generalise too much.

Welcome back Deniz,

Can you and perhaps Iceman can write a lengthy post describing the realities on the ground in the "trnc" for the TC's so that we do not only get VP's version, which at best are inflated and at worse, are totally fictitious, which even Zan had opposing experience to VP's "fairy tales" on how the TC's and settlers get along. Also tell us how the TC's and GC's get along in the north and in the RoC.

Open a new thread............... "Deniz Uncovers".!!!

Thanks.

Hold on there cowboy!!!

What I experienced has not been told yet !

The numbers you lot quote are not what I experienced either. If it were true then I would not have seen so many TCs in my travels. Sure there were a lot of Mainland Turks but if your numbers where true than the TCs would have been few and far between and as they were everywhere this does not hold water. I also experienced many getting along just fine with each other just like in any other country. You just seem to be happy with taking anything that you want from a story and not taking in the whole picture.

What people want is prosperity. That was the overall feeling in almost all the places I went to. They are just confused as to how to achieve it and on whom to blame their problems on. I say problems with a sense of joy because in general they seem to be doing really well. It seems the whole of the TRNC are business people and they moan as business people do. It's all about money. I have never seen so many expensive cars in one small area. The infrastructure is ready to take off.

I did not meet a single person that did not say they wanted a fair deal in Cyprus as TCs. Not a one would want to live in the "RoC" for it though. They have their problems and they are getting over them in the TRNC. Their representation in government is important to them. Even areas that have had to endure the hardships of the embargoes or electricity cuts have no desire to surrender our island.

There is a good faith towards unification though...IF....It is done right. Not many are hopeful though, I have to say that. Still, It was good to see that there is no general animosity against the Greeks. People need to separate politics from the everyday person and they seem to be able to do that. There are extremes of course.

[Kikapu]

This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.

Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.

VP, please wake up from your slumber. There are many that do. You generalise too much.

Welcome back Deniz,

Can you and perhaps Iceman can write a lengthy post describing the realities on the ground in the "trnc" for the TC's so that we do not only get VP's version, which at best are inflated and at worse, are totally fictitious, which even Zan had opposing experience to VP's "fairy tales" on how the TC's and settlers get along. Also tell us how the TC's and GC's get along in the north and in the RoC.

Open a new thread............... "Deniz Uncovers".!!!

Thanks.

Hold on there cowboy!!!

What I experienced has not been told yet !

The numbers you lot quote are not what I experienced either. If it were true then I would not have seen so many TCs in my travels. Sure there were a lot of Mainland Turks but if your numbers where true than the TCs would have been few and far between and as they were everywhere this does not hold water. I also experienced many getting along just fine with each other just like in any other country. You just seem to be happy with taking anything that you want from a story and not taking in the whole picture.

What people want is prosperity. That was the overall feeling in almost all the places I went to. They are just confused as to how to achieve it and on whom to blame their problems on. I say problems with a sense of joy because in general they seem to be doing really well. It seems the whole of the TRNC are business people and they moan as business people do. It's all about money. I have never seen so many expensive cars in one small area. The infrastructure is ready to take off.

I did not meet a single person that did not say they wanted a fair deal in Cyprus as TCs. Not a one would want to live in the "RoC" for it though. They have their problems and they are getting over them in the TRNC. Their representation in government is important to them. Even areas that have had to endure the hardships of the embargoes or electricity cuts have no desire to surrender our island.

There is a good faith towards unification though...IF....It is done right. Not many are hopeful though, I have to say that. Still, It was good to see that there is no general animosity against the Greeks. People need to separate politics from the everyday person and they seem to be able to do that. There are extremes of course.

I only mentioned what you have already experienced and told us Zan and not anything else. If you are going to write more and tell us further experiences, aside from the short one above, we will be all eagerly waiting.!