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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:57 am

humanist wrote:This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.


Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.
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Postby boomerang » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:34 pm

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humanist wrote:This makes mockery out of the whole thing. The reality is people are shifting and moving to better themselves. I imagine the only ones that will suffer at the end would be thse TC's who were originally from the what is now occupied area. The further, from the crossing points the more disadvantaged people are as they either have to trave way to far to come to the free areas for work or too far to miss out all together.


Isolated cases do not support that it is a trend and that TCs aremoving south, they may go south and sell their labor but they come home to the TRNC every night. You have to realize that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop.


First of all you haven't got a clue what the hell you are talking about...as it seems there even more tcs living in the south and that must be giving you the shits...and secondly, in the event of "turkey=fascist state" dares to annex the north, watch how many tcs will be shifting to the free areas...

and your excuse then is?...or they are traitors...

you are such a moron...
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:16 pm

"TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop."

Apparently enough do to justify opening a Turkish language school in Limassol. Someone is not telling us the facts.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:03 pm

Nikitas wrote:"TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop."

Apparently enough do to justify opening a Turkish language school in Limassol. Someone is not telling us the facts.


There are 2500 TCs living in the south the majority are Gypsies who cant even speak Turkish properly. Hardly a number to get excited about, if you know any TC who live here in the TRNC or even abroad ask them if they wish to live in the south as it is today? Im sure you will be shocked at the response, if TCs are so keen on residing in a Gc state run by GCs they are free to move south today no one is stopping them.
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Postby halil » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:00 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Nikitas wrote:"TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs full stop."

Apparently enough do to justify opening a Turkish language school in Limassol. Someone is not telling us the facts.


There are 2500 TCs living in the south the majority are Gypsies who cant even speak Turkish properly. Hardly a number to get excited about, if you know any TC who live here in the TRNC or even abroad ask them if they wish to live in the south as it is today? Im sure you will be shocked at the response, if TCs are so keen on residing in a Gc state run by GCs they are free to move south today no one is stopping them.


why don't you make poll about it ?
asked to TC's forum members if there is a agreement or not agreement where they would like to live ?


it might be better if they gives their reasones as well .

in this case i can not vote .
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:14 pm

VP out of 55,000 TC's in the whole of Cyprus ..... I think 2, 500 TC's living in the free areas are a substantial number. As far as them being Gypsies, well it goes to show Cypriots ccept everyone ......... as far as their Turkish well I coulnd't probably understand them as much as I couldn't understand an elloquently spoken Turk :)


I don't think we need a pole to tell us the facts halil. I think the majority of TC's spoke out at the referendum and they are speaking to us right now through their actions.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:15 am

humanist wrote:VP out of 55,000 TC's in the whole of Cyprus ..... I think 2, 500 TC's living in the free areas are a substantial number. As far as them being Gypsies, well it goes to show Cypriots ccept everyone ......... as far as their Turkish well I coulnd't probably understand them as much as I couldn't understand an elloquently spoken Turk :)


I don't think we need a pole to tell us the facts halil. I think the majority of TC's spoke out at the referendum and they are speaking to us right now through their actions.


The figures do not support your argument no TCs are moving south, they are not lining up to be be accepted into a GC state run by GCs, they still choose the TRNC even with all its imperfections, I know its difficult for you to understand but it something you GCs have to come to terms with.
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Postby humanist » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:19 am

VP it gives me great pleasure to sit back and watch your argument fall into the heap. Give it another three years with the current status quo and you see the shift. Lets see, I have land in Lemesos worth thousands of euro yet I live in a hovle in the occupied area. Hmmm I go to work to the free area, I have no problems, 2,500 TCs already live there they have no problems, my kids are screwed because they live in the occupied areas, am I responsible parent? yes? am outa here.

In the meantime I listen to what you are saying VP.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:17 am

humanist wrote:VP it gives me great pleasure to sit back and watch your argument fall into the heap. Give it another three years with the current status quo and you see the shift. Lets see, I have land in Lemesos worth thousands of euro yet I live in a hovle in the occupied area. Hmmm I go to work to the free area, I have no problems, 2,500 TCs already live there they have no problems, my kids are screwed because they live in the occupied areas, am I responsible parent? yes? am outa here.

In the meantime I listen to what you are saying VP.


TCs do not live in hovels that is just something you wish was true so you can force us to accept your demands, you of all people shoudl know how sill your claim is, the standard of living compared to many new EU members is better and the youth of the TRNC have great education options locally, in Turkey the UK and USA. So if the status quo remains and we have another botched up attempt at find a solution the EU will take steps to relax isolation we cannot stay like this forever, things will improve in the north whether you like it or not, we have lived without you for 34 years we can do it for many more years to come. We will always be open to finding a formula to live under a BBF with political equality but we will not just throw away our rights because the GCs out numer us.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:46 am

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humanist wrote:VP it gives me great pleasure to sit back and watch your argument fall into the heap. Give it another three years with the current status quo and you see the shift. Lets see, I have land in Lemesos worth thousands of euro yet I live in a hovle in the occupied area. Hmmm I go to work to the free area, I have no problems, 2,500 TCs already live there they have no problems, my kids are screwed because they live in the occupied areas, am I responsible parent? yes? am outa here.

In the meantime I listen to what you are saying VP.


TCs do not live in hovels that is just something you wish was true so you can force us to accept your demands, you of all people shoudl know how sill your claim is, the standard of living compared to many new EU members is better and the youth of the TRNC have great education options locally, in Turkey the UK and USA. So if the status quo remains and we have another botched up attempt at find a solution the EU will take steps to relax isolation we cannot stay like this forever, things will improve in the north whether you like it or not, we have lived without you for 34 years we can do it for many more years to come. We will always be open to finding a formula to live under a BBF with political equality but we will not just throw away our rights because the GCs out numer us.

VP , You are certainly not taking realities into account. The European Union will relax the isolation but it would be conditional to the Turkish army withdrawing from HER lands. Turkey is not only occupying a part of Cyprus but now also a part of Europe . This is how the EU sees the situation in Cyprus. To continue with this charade that the T/Cs will be at a disadvantage in a united and Democratic Cyprus , or that their safety would be compromised does not hold much credence any more.
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