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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:40 pm

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bill cobbett wrote:To my mind we must look at individual cases on their merits (or lack of them) after due application and process to the legal government, the RoC and after applying the sort of guidelines that are applied in other EU nation states.


bill in theory that all makes sense .. but I can see it would lead to so many issues and paperwork ...

Since they are all pretty much the same now, anyway :roll: ... does it matter .... Turk by any other name or whatever Ataturk said ... one in another out etc.

Much simpler to give them a quota based on the 18% figure ... and they can decide amongst themselves who stays and who leaves.

But we set the deadline ... otherwise all out! :lol:


I would have to agree that O's approach would deal with the unlawful ( I think it's a contravention of one of the chapters of the Geneva Convention ) importation of settlers to deliberately alter demographics but I'm a nice sort of chap and would agree with some above who say that those born in CY or married to our northern siblings are granted citizenship.

To go some way to overcoming the 18% limit problem we could deport Mr Donktosh so that in terms of total body mass our northern community is maintained at 18% (in terms of weight.)
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:42 pm

pantheman wrote:Just follow the law, evertone who entered to North illegally must leave. this means settlers, decendents of settlers, property buyers and so on.

They did not come here with the RoC permission who is the legal entity on the island so they have no right of stay, end of.

married a TC or otherwise, they must go , just as they do it in the UK, deporting halves of families.

The line is clear, did you get correct legal permission from the legal sovereign government ??? yes = you stay, No = fuck off back to whence you came and re apply.

simple, the rules are already in place.

bye bye


So one rule for your immigrants/settlers and another for ours, who gave you the right to grant citizenship without our say so? If the settlers go so will everyone else, you have to treat all immigrants equally otherwise no deal.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:45 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:To my mind we must look at individual cases on their merits (or lack of them) after due application and process to the legal government, the RoC and after applying the sort of guidelines that are applied in other EU nation states.


bill in theory that all makes sense .. but I can see it would lead to so many issues and paperwork ...

Since they are all pretty much the same now, anyway :roll: ... does it matter .... Turk by any other name or whatever Ataturk said ... one in another out etc.

Much simpler to give them a quota based on the 18% figure ... and they can decide amongst themselves who stays and who leaves.

But we set the deadline ... otherwise all out! :lol:


I would have to agree that O's approach would deal with the unlawful ( I think it's a contravention of one of the chapters of the Geneva Convention ) importation of settlers to deliberately alter demographics but I'm a nice sort of chap and would agree with some above who say that those born in CY or married to our northern siblings are granted citizenship.

To go some way to overcoming the 18% limit problem we could deport Mr Donktosh so that in terms of total body mass our northern community is maintained at 18% (in terms of weight.)


Yes but did anyone bother to weigh up the total Mass of the TCs before they were kidnapped .... :roll:

We need an initial 18% Total Mass figure ... Did anyone have a weigh in before the invasion :? ... oh what a bloody mess!

We need to rewind and start again!
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:45 pm

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pantheman wrote:Just follow the law, evertone who entered to North illegally must leave. this means settlers, decendents of settlers, property buyers and so on.

They did not come here with the RoC permission who is the legal entity on the island so they have no right of stay, end of.

married a TC or otherwise, they must go , just as they do it in the UK, deporting halves of families.

The line is clear, did you get correct legal permission from the legal sovereign government ??? yes = you stay, No = fuck off back to whence you came and re apply.

simple, the rules are already in place.

bye bye


So one rule for your immigrants/settlers and another for ours, who gave you the right to grant citizenship without our say so? If the settlers go so will everyone else, you have to treat all immigrants equally otherwise no deal.


Your turkish masters told you to walk out of government in 63. That was your choice. You disenfranchised yourself. You didn't want the vote. So you should have no complaints now.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:53 pm

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pantheman wrote:Just follow the law, evertone who entered to North illegally must leave. this means settlers, decendents of settlers, property buyers and so on.

They did not come here with the RoC permission who is the legal entity on the island so they have no right of stay, end of.

married a TC or otherwise, they must go , just as they do it in the UK, deporting halves of families.

The line is clear, did you get correct legal permission from the legal sovereign government ??? yes = you stay, No = fuck off back to whence you came and re apply.

simple, the rules are already in place.

bye bye


So one rule for your immigrants/settlers and another for ours, who gave you the right to grant citizenship without our say so? If the settlers go so will everyone else, you have to treat all immigrants equally otherwise no deal.


Your turkish masters told you to walk out of government in 63. That was your choice. You disenfranchised yourself. You didn't want the vote. So you should have no complaints now.


You stole it, that makes you a thief and your decisions invalid, thats why in any solution you will have to dissolve the "RoC".
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:57 pm

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pantheman wrote:Just follow the law, evertone who entered to North illegally must leave. this means settlers, decendents of settlers, property buyers and so on.

They did not come here with the RoC permission who is the legal entity on the island so they have no right of stay, end of.

married a TC or otherwise, they must go , just as they do it in the UK, deporting halves of families.

The line is clear, did you get correct legal permission from the legal sovereign government ??? yes = you stay, No = fuck off back to whence you came and re apply.

simple, the rules are already in place.

bye bye


So one rule for your immigrants/settlers and another for ours, who gave you the right to grant citizenship without our say so? If the settlers go so will everyone else, you have to treat all immigrants equally otherwise no deal.


Your turkish masters told you to walk out of government in 63. That was your choice. You disenfranchised yourself. You didn't want the vote. So you should have no complaints now.


You stole it, that makes you a thief and your decisions invalid, thats why in any solution you will have to dissolve the "RoC".


The RoC stays. That's the view of 82% against 18%. Start learning to live with this. You know I'm right.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:09 am

Ask the UN a BBF with political equality via a Virgin Birth with 2 states north and south no TRNC or "RoC".
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:25 am

Viewpoint wrote:Ask the UN a BBF with political equality via a Virgin Birth with 2 states north and south no TRNC or "RoC".


The RoC with its integral component constituent EU .... does not agree to any BBF!

Turks withdraw from EU territory now!
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:51 am

Viewpoint wrote:Ask the UN a BBF with political equality via a Virgin Birth with 2 states north and south no TRNC or "RoC".


When was last time you listened to UN? One state. One Citizenship. Your Partitionist Dream over. You know I'm right again.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:52 am

Viewpoint wrote:Ask the UN a BBF with political equality via a Virgin Birth with 2 states north and south no TRNC or "RoC".


This is not what has been agreed to in principle!
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