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[bill cobbett]

Another anniversary weekend of the foul Turkish Invasion. This one marked, to my mind, by equally foul demands from some here in this Forum and elsewhere for capitulation to the evil, murderous invasion and thirty-four years of occupation.

Let me say that I have no problem reaching out to our northern brothers and sisters. I have always found our northern siblings to be ..well.. just like me..and you. At first meeting hard to tell with Cypriots which community they are from, isn’t it? I’m sure that none of them really feel that they have anything to fear from me or any other members here. Yet at every opportunity some will immediately respond with an alleged history of 1963. Let me tell them and you that I have to get out a calculator to find out how long ago that was! If they don’t respond with that, then on goes the gramaphone record and we get the usual nonsence about eoka, Makarios, enosis etc etc.

What are we really being asked to do when we reach out? Well there are several answers to that question. Here are some as I see it.

We are being asked to surrender all rights to the Occupied North to some kind of state that would show greater loyalty to the motherland, Turkey, rather than to any notion of a new, supposedly unified Cypriot state. A state within a state which will always be a backdoor for Turkish influence or worse. At present Turkish influence stops at the cease-fire line. Sign on the dotted line and legitimise/recognise any kind of northern state and the door is opened to hideous Turkish influence in the Free Areas as well.

What else are the defeatist concessionists asking us to give up? Well some pretty fundamental human rights. The property issue of course tops the list here and please do not tell me that we will be compensated for any loss. It is the general right of all to own and enjoy property without being forced to accept compensation. Freedom of movement? We all have the right to live and earn a living anywhere we please in the new Europe, but not, if the Acceptionists have their way, in the tiny, tiny corner of Europe that is Kyrenia District (plus a bit of Nic and the larger part of Fam Districts) with entry by invitation, turkish permission or quota only.

All of this to be signed away in another unchangeable, cast in reinforced concrete constitution, a la the 1960 one. Can anyone think of another country that would have such an unbending constitution, one where a minority population of 18% can veto any changes and of course always threaten to get the motherland to intervene if the majority want to change it? Well we all should know we're going to get a constitution set to benefit the interests of Turkey, GB and their allies.

These misguided apologists seem quite happy to sit and negotiate with a regime “elected” in the main by “settlers” brought in by the military state of Turkey and tell us to forget all the above and to face up to the conditions on the ground, to which I would say, what I see as the realty on the ground remain the spoils of war, remain the rewards of foul invasion, nothing has changed there. If you believe in the rule of law and any kind of justice walk away from the negotiating table or at least have the wisdom to realise that it's Turkey you are dealing with and not our northern siblings and have the good sense to realise that rights aren’t negotiable.

[Magnus]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering. While the RoC and the GC diaspora all over the world mourns the loss of loved ones and countrymen, our supposed 'brothers and sisters' in the 'TRNC' are holding parades, 21-gun salutes and airshows. They even invite their master over from Turkey to join in the party. In addition to this, they continue to rape and desecrate Cypriot cemetaries and religious monuments despite their apparent 'commitment' to peace, and we get the usual individuals on here spouting their bile.

In my opinion, this is a clear indication of where their loyalties are, and their actions are not those of a people seeking a genuine solution. In another thread I asked the question; did our people die so we can turn around 34 years later and surrender? I know my answer and I invite others to find their own.

[Viewpoint]

You are both applying double standards, it is with your own contribution that this island is and remains divided. You are asking us as another forum contirbutors says to take off our life jacket and trust you. Why should we?

[Oracle]

If as they say they came to restore peace .... they clearly lied. The facts point otherwise.

So they came to steal half the Island, and the TCs are not the main reason for the Turks being here.

I think the Turks finally reluctantly accept they have to give back what they wrongfully grabbed.

But how to do that without losing face?

Pretend they wanted the TCs as negotiating tools to enter the EU.

But no one wants Turkey in the EU (Bar Britain but only in order to weaken it for the US.)

So the TCs have proved superfluous to requirements in the Turkish Expansionist dream ..... which is now coming to an end.

The endings are the trickiest part .....

[pantheman]

I wonder if Bananiot will be there cheering on the parade too! As he will probably have accepted all the things you stated above BC.

Makes ones stomach turn.

[Viewpoint]

If as they say they came to restore peace .... they clearly lied. The facts point otherwise.

So they came to steal half the Island, and the TCs are not the main reason for the Turks being here.

I think the Turks finally reluctantly accept they have to give back what they wrongfully grabbed.

But how to do that without losing face?

Pretend they wanted the TCs as negotiating tools to enter the EU.

But no one wants Turkey in the EU (Bar Britain but only in order to weaken it for the US.)

So the TCs have proved superfluous to requirements in the Turkish Expansionist dream ..... which is now coming to an end.

The endings are the trickiest part .....

What have we conceded to prove you right?

[Oracle]

If as they say they came to restore peace .... they clearly lied. The facts point otherwise.

So they came to steal half the Island, and the TCs are not the main reason for the Turks being here.

I think the Turks finally reluctantly accept they have to give back what they wrongfully grabbed.

But how to do that without losing face?

Pretend they wanted the TCs as negotiating tools to enter the EU.

But no one wants Turkey in the EU (Bar Britain but only in order to weaken it for the US.)

So the TCs have proved superfluous to requirements in the Turkish Expansionist dream ..... which is now coming to an end.

The endings are the trickiest part .....

What have we conceded to prove you right?

VP ... I am really sorry, but I have come to the conclusion that none of this was about the TCs .... or for the TCs ... Only for and about the Turks from Turkey.

So the Turks gained and the RoC lost.

Therefore the settlement needs only to be reached between these two entities now (bar EU which is integral to RoC now anyway).

Sorry VP ... it's got nothing to do with you! (But feel free to offer opinions )

[Viewpoint]

If as they say they came to restore peace .... they clearly lied. The facts point otherwise.

So they came to steal half the Island, and the TCs are not the main reason for the Turks being here.

I think the Turks finally reluctantly accept they have to give back what they wrongfully grabbed.

But how to do that without losing face?

Pretend they wanted the TCs as negotiating tools to enter the EU.

But no one wants Turkey in the EU (Bar Britain but only in order to weaken it for the US.)

So the TCs have proved superfluous to requirements in the Turkish Expansionist dream ..... which is now coming to an end.

The endings are the trickiest part .....

What have we conceded to prove you right?

VP ... I am really sorry, but I have come to the conclusion that none of this was about the TCs .... or for the TCs ... Only for and about the Turks from Turkey.

So the Turks gained and the RoC lost.

Therefore the settlement needs only to be reached between these two entities now (bar EU which is integral to RoC now anyway).

Sorry VP ... it's got nothing to do with you! (But feel free to offer opinions )

You still have to take into consideration the other sides demands label it Turks or TCs it doesnt matter we both want the same things as we have great cooperation and understanding of each and this mean unity in goals something we have never had with the GCs, thats what really makes you sick.

[Oracle]

If as they say they came to restore peace .... they clearly lied. The facts point otherwise.

So they came to steal half the Island, and the TCs are not the main reason for the Turks being here.

I think the Turks finally reluctantly accept they have to give back what they wrongfully grabbed.

But how to do that without losing face?

Pretend they wanted the TCs as negotiating tools to enter the EU.

But no one wants Turkey in the EU (Bar Britain but only in order to weaken it for the US.)

So the TCs have proved superfluous to requirements in the Turkish Expansionist dream ..... which is now coming to an end.

The endings are the trickiest part .....

What have we conceded to prove you right?

VP ... I am really sorry, but I have come to the conclusion that none of this was about the TCs .... or for the TCs ... Only for and about the Turks from Turkey.

So the Turks gained and the RoC lost.

Therefore the settlement needs only to be reached between these two entities now (bar EU which is integral to RoC now anyway).

Sorry VP ... it's got nothing to do with you! (But feel free to offer opinions )

You still have to take into consideration the other sides demands label it Turks or TCs it doesnt matter we both want the same things as we have great cooperation and understanding of each and this mean unity in goals something we have never had with the GCs, thats what really makes you sick.

Clearly, even your "leader" does not have the same standing as Turks

[Viewpoint]

You can continue to play with words and make excuses but the bottom line is there is 2 sides to this problem and if we do not agree to your demands there will be no solution and vise versa. Get that in your head one sided demands will not get you anywhere we both have to accomadate the others fears and concerns.