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[ttoli]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

[Oracle]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

The monkeys locked-up at the zoo enjoy peace and "safety" in their cages too!

Born Free!

[ttoli]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

The monkeys locked-up at the zoo enjoy peace and "safety" in their cages too!

Born Free!

Ah, but we have a key (Not though admitting to be a monkey, thats your domain)

[Oracle]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

The monkeys locked-up at the zoo enjoy peace and "safety" in their cages too!

Born Free!

Ah, but we have a key (Not though admitting to be a monkey, thats your domain)

I think the zoo-keepers may want that back!

Have you bought your fake "trnc" dodgy passport off them yet?

[ttoli]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

The monkeys locked-up at the zoo enjoy peace and "safety" in their cages too!

Born Free!

Ah, but we have a key (Not though admitting to be a monkey, thats your domain)

I think the zoo-keepers may want that back!

Have you bought your fake "trnc" dodgy passport off them yet?

No need pal,Have British/E.U Passport
B.T.W.Enjoying the airshow?

[Viewpoint]

I expect no less or no more from you as you are a typical GC who will never see beyond their own needs and rights. Look at it from this side of the fence, if what we have is so bad then why arent we all running south to the promised land? People in the north are not stupid they look at it from this angle if whats on offer is better than what we have today then they will evaluate what it will bring in the future but if it does not define a better future then no one will want to unite with the south.

The reasons you aren't all running south are quite simple.

Firstly, there is a significant number of your people who DO run south every day to earn their living then go back to your 'TRNC'. This isn't because they don't like the RoC but rather because the 'TRNC' is where their free house is.

Secondly, some of your more 'committed' types have been indoctrinated far too well by the Turks and live in a delusional state where they think that it is their 'choice' to remain in the 'TRNC'. Unfortunately, these people are incapable of seeing that they don't really have a choice as Mama Turkiye wants a colony and gave them a house on someone else's land so she can have that colony and use the saps as an excuse to hold onto it.

Thirdly, we have those who are under no illusions but are basically evil and have no problem with the immorality of their situation and even take joy in bragging about their perceived superiority. These traitors are obviously the worst of the bunch.

Fourthly, we have the lazy freeloaders. These are the people that may not be entirely evil but are happy to live off the invasion spoils and handouts from Turkey simply because they are too idle to work and make something of themselves. There's no free ride in the RoC so they stay where they are.

Fifthly, we have those that can see how things are but after being indoctrinated for so long they can't see a way out. In other words, they are buried so far in their own manure that they can't come out with out stinking so they stay in there.

Finally we have the people that can see what's going on and want to help get you people out of it. Unfortuntely these individuals are in the minority. Some of them may even live in fear of what may happen to them if they attempt to disagree with the Turkish regime.

Other issues which you have to deal with is that we are here to stay and we will not being going anywhere, we are 2 equal communities with just as much stake in this island as each other, we will not disolve and no one can force us to disolve the TRNC which you still believe is non exsist, the fact it is not recognized does not mean it does not exsist, tell that to the police as you cross the border I sure they will agree with you. You also have to agree a solution with us that will address all our concerns you cannot mock or sweep them under the carpet hoping they will go away. The AP is a prime example of how things will turn out neither side will be 100% satisifyed so the sooner you understand that neither side is 100% right and the other side 100% wrong the soner you make move towards a solution otherwise we will do what we wish in the north and there absolutely nothing you cna do about it or you would have many years ago. The fact that no one has come to your rescue is a clear sign that no side is totally right or 100% guilt free.

How exactly are there two 'equal' sides with an 'equal' stake in the island? Your people form the minority not only in terms of numbers but also in contribution to the island. It is the RoC that has brought Cyprus to it's modern status (socially, politically and economically), not you lot. In fact, in the case of unification, what do you people have to offer? The land you occupy isn't yours, you have no economic wealth to contribute and no discernible useful skills or technical expertise that aren't surpassed by the RoC. What exactly will you people offer a unified Cyprus?

Now I notice that over the last couple of days you have latched onto the idea of saying that 'nobody has come to your rescue for 34 years', and you have a fair point. What you fail to see is that we don't need to be rescued. At some point, Mama Turkiye will realise that she has more to gain from letting you go than keeping you. Then you will lose your handouts and where will you turn?

We could also consider that just because the international community has done little for Cyprus so far doesn't mean this will always be the case. We can wait, we're good at that and we've got time to play with.

As for taking into account your demands during negotiations I wonder who really cares? You can kick and scream all you want, but if Turkey wants to join the EU then she has to leave you. The more you reject any true democratic solution then the more unreasonable you will appear to be, and we have far more allies than you have. If you think the EU will allow itself to be humiliated over your 'TRNC' then you're wrong.

Besides, there is a good chance that the negotiations are only happening for the sake of appearances. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that politics is 99% show. All we have to do is play nice with you for a while and let law and economics deal with you.

Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed response I could cover each point individually but what good would it do, you dont accept or believe anything I or any other TC put forward.

You reallly need to analyze yourself as you appear to have a superiority complex which does not allow you to see the reality that you have lost 37% of the island and this situation will continue as long as we do not feel comfortable with any agreements put before us, just like you we to have the right to say no and this sides opinion is just as important as yours.

Lets wait and see what happens, we have waited 34 years and all the doom and gloom you keep going on about has not stopped us from progressing. The process maybe slow due to GC embargoes but anything is preferred to accepting becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

[dinos]

My view on this is pretty straightforward.

This weekend marks 34 years of invasion and suffering.

, Whilst for the TC's it marks 34 years of Peace and safety.

The monkeys locked-up at the zoo enjoy peace and "safety" in their cages too!

Born Free!

Ah, but we have a key (Not though admitting to be a monkey, thats your domain)

The really funny, if not pathetic, part of this is thus:

You have a key to the zoo. You let yourselves out in the morning to work in the RoC. Then, you return to the zoo at night and lock yourselves back up.

The things some celebrate with parades. It might be freedom, but this freedom comes dressed in drag.