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Postby pantheman » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:02 pm

Well, my darling Oracle, seems you did have a crystal ball after all. All that you have been saying aout the EU and Cyprus being its territory is now starting to come to fruition, check this;

Euro-Parliament’s message to Turks

‘Withdraw troops

from Famagusta’

By Annie Charalambous

The government yesterday welcomed the adoption by a European Parliament committee of a Famagusta report calling on Turkey to withdraw its troops from EU territory, starting with the ghost town.

The report was important as it disassociated the return of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants from an overall settlement, it noted.

“It’s a very positive report and a strong weapon in the hands of Cypriot refugees,” Government Spokesman Stefanos Stefanou told The Cyprus Weekly yesterday.

“The report calls on Turkey to withdraw its occupation troops from the Republic of Cyprus, and this is very important. It also reflects the positive climate on Cyprus prevailing in the EU today,” he added.

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The European Parliament Petitions Committee on Wednesday approved by 22 votes in favour and two against the report which notes that «Turkey must withdraw its occupation military forces from the Republic of Cyprus, an EU territory, starting with the return of the Famagusta sealed-off section to its lawful inhabitants in compliance with resolution 550 (1984) of the UN Security Council.”

Famagusta Mayor Alexis Galanos went a step further calling it “justice for Famagusta refugees, and a strong message to all.”

The return of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants is the best confidence building measure that can be applied, he stressed.

MEP Panayiotis Demetriou said in a statement that the Famagusta problem was now placed on its proper basis, disentangled from political approaches.

The report also recommends that "the institutions of the European Union must actively support and promote a solution which leads to the full restoration of property to its legitimate owners in Varosha."

The EP Committee then calls on the French presidency to resolve the issue of Famagusta within 2008, “and the European Parliament is urged in this contect to give full backign to this objective.”

Socialist Edek party welcomed the "crystal clear, unequivocal positions noted in the report" and thanked President of the European Socialists Martin Schultz for contributing towards its adoption.

The report, backed by the EPP, PSE and GUE/NGL groups of the European Parliament, negates a draft report by Committee Chairman Marcin Libicki who argued that Famagusta could not be returned without an overall solution to the Cyprus problem, first.

The link between an overall solution and the return of Famagusta had also been made by Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn.

In his report, Libicki had also included references to the 2004 Annan Plan and the alleged Turkish Cypriot "isolation".

He reportedly plans to submit his report independently, as a minority one, to European Parliament President Hans Gert Poettering.


and heres the link for the non believers;

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... geID=304_1

As they say in greek, avratinisictimini (spelling?)
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:13 pm

Pantheman .. You are my winged messenger from heaven .. A Hermes with jet propulsion to boot! :lol:

Why this is two months ahead of schedule by my predictions :wink:

Pantheman .. this is such welcome news. :D

The focus must remain on the EU fully accepting it's duty to its rightful territory in Cyprus .... the whole of Cyprus and pressurise the Turks to withdraw ... Ooh what a lovely word .....

Withdraw!

Never has it sounded so good :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:33 pm

What will it change? Can you take back Maraş with EU resolutions? dont oyu have to get us to agree as well?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:39 pm

Viewpoint you have failed to sense the changing tide ... and you will drown!

It is no longer a matter of Resolutions but actions ...

“The report calls on Turkey to withdraw its occupation troops from the Republic of Cyprus, and this is very important. It also reflects the positive climate on Cyprus prevailing in the EU today,”
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:44 pm

Oracle wrote:Viewpoint you have failed to sense the changing tide ... and you will drown!

It is no longer a matter of Resolutions but actions ...

“The report calls on Turkey to withdraw its occupation troops from the Republic of Cyprus, and this is very important. It also reflects the positive climate on Cyprus prevailing in the EU today,”


SO? you thought that Turkey would open her ports and recognize the south, nothing happened and nothing will happen now unless we agree to it.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:48 pm

Viewpoint wrote:What will it change? Can you take back Maraş with EU resolutions? dont oyu have to get us to agree as well?


VP, live the slogans and the rest of the crap aside, and tell us what the Turkish and TC positions on the solution of the Cyprus issue are, because we can't figure them out. Are they (Turkish positions) those claimed by your Turkish elected leaders in the EU and other international fora, namely that they support a solution on the basis of the UN resolutions and within the UN framework, which call for “one State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship;” or those claimed in Turkey and in the occupied north, among the Turkish and the TC societies, namely that the solution must be one based on "two sovereignties, two peoples, two democracies, two religions, and a shared overarching state based on two separate states?" Do you know, so that we also get to know, or you don’t?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:59 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:What will it change? Can you take back Maraş with EU resolutions? dont oyu have to get us to agree as well?


VP, live the slogans and the rest of the crap aside, and tell us what the Turkish and TC positions on the solution of the Cyprus issue are, because we can't figure them out. Are they (Turkish positions) those claimed by your Turkish elected leaders in the EU and other international fora, namely that they support a solution on the basis of the UN resolutions and within the UN framework, which call for “one State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship;” or those claimed in Turkey and in the occupied north, among the Turkish and the TC societies, namely that the solution must be one based on "two sovereignties, two peoples, two democracies, two religions, and a shared overarching state based on two separate states?" Do you know, so that we also get to know, or you don’t?


Our elected leader talks for us, so you better listen to what he has to say, the UN calls for a BBF with political equality of the 2 sides.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:17 pm

Oracle wrote:Pantheman .. You are my winged messenger from heaven .. A Hermes with jet propulsion to boot! :lol:

Why this is two months ahead of schedule by my predictions :wink:

Pantheman .. this is such welcome news. :D

The focus must remain on the EU fully accepting it's duty to its rightful territory in Cyprus .... the whole of Cyprus and pressurise the Turks to withdraw ... Ooh what a lovely word .....

Withdraw!

Never has it sounded so good :lol:

You will of course recall that when you (Oracle) were supporting some nonsense about war as the only option , it was I who challenged all those in support of such unwelcome option by repeating time and time again that we currently have the strongest position ever since our EU membership will ensure that a peaceful solution will be negotiated and that Europe of which we are a part of will never support any other means apart from negotiations.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:32 pm

miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:Pantheman .. You are my winged messenger from heaven .. A Hermes with jet propulsion to boot! :lol:

Why this is two months ahead of schedule by my predictions :wink:

Pantheman .. this is such welcome news. :D

The focus must remain on the EU fully accepting it's duty to its rightful territory in Cyprus .... the whole of Cyprus and pressurise the Turks to withdraw ... Ooh what a lovely word .....

Withdraw!

Never has it sounded so good :lol:

You will of course recall that when you (Oracle) were supporting some nonsense about war as the only option , it was I who challenged all those in support of such unwelcome option by repeating time and time again that we currently have the strongest position ever since our EU membership will ensure that a peaceful solution will be negotiated and that Europe of which we are a part of will never support any other means apart from negotiations.


Miltiades nobody claimed other than that a negotiated peaceful settlement was on offer to the Turks.

It is what the Turks wish to do with the peaceful requests to withdraw which will determine the future course of history.

Have no doubt .. the ball for peace or war is in the hands of the Turks right now, and not ours.

We have offered the peaceful requests as Get Real! and others maintained.

There is an optimum window by which the decision by the Turks can continue to be delayed ... and then the EU, within its rights and justifications, will do what is necessary to re-conquer its lost territory ...

Or did the French just come to practice Military and Navel manoeuvres in our waters with the Greek and Cypriot Defences, so that they can get a free cruise-holiday in the Mediterranean ... :roll:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:32 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:What will it change? Can you take back Mara? with EU resolutions? dont oyu have to get us to agree as well?


VP, live the slogans and the rest of the crap aside, and tell us what the Turkish and TC positions on the solution of the Cyprus issue are, because we can't figure them out. Are they (Turkish positions) those claimed by your Turkish elected leaders in the EU and other international fora, namely that they support a solution on the basis of the UN resolutions and within the UN framework, which call for “one State of Cyprus with a single sovereignty and international personality and a single citizenship;” or those claimed in Turkey and in the occupied north, among the Turkish and the TC societies, namely that the solution must be one based on "two sovereignties, two peoples, two democracies, two religions, and a shared overarching state based on two separate states?" Do you know, so that we also get to know, or you don’t?


Our elected leader talks for us, so you better listen to what he has to say, the UN calls for a BBF with political equality of the 2 sides.


The Occupied Districts don't have an elected leader. You have a spokesperson, a puppet on a string, controlled by Turkey and "elected" in large measure by the illegal "settlers" . Not the most respected of electorates.Some "leader" :lol:
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