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[bill cobbett]

To be fair on the issue of this poem (“Kin”) which translates into “grief” but it may have as well been titled as “hate,” my information -which is very accurate as in most cases, is that it wasn’t been asked to be recited by children in schools -at least in a systematic way. It was however -a shortened version of it, been broadcasted on a daily basis from bayrak radio between 1963 and 1974 in Cyprus, has indeed been printed in Huriyyet newspaper during the preparatory days before the 1974 invasion to Cyprus, and had been played to the soldiers through the speakers of the sea landing ships carrying the Turkish troops to Cyprus during the 1974 invasion.

Kifeas ,
your comments looks correct to me on this .
but i have no idea about it has been played back to soldiers during the invasion as a settler of Lapitos you may heard it during the invasion .
i am 100% sure we never had during our school days .
Similar things were played to Turkish site of the Nicosia between 64-74 Turkish Song called ''Bekledim da Gellmedi '' it's mean ? waited and Did not come . There were all part of the cold war between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots . We had all those things in Cyprus .
? hope both of us got good lessones from our past mistakes .
we all know how we were before 74 and after 74 and how we are now .

question is how we can satisfay our benefits or interests from now on

The question that comes to my mind is to what extent are the views in the poem held today.

It worries me looking at the number of members who post on this forum with the foul flag of the RoT as their avatar and posting their hideous turkish nationalist views and failing to display any human remorse whatsoever for, for instance the murder of Solomou, that the views expressed in the obscene poem still attract some today.

[Tim Drayton]

Hopefully you will believe Tim's translation when he makes it.

I have read the thing and am sickened to the core. This is a eulogy to genocide, for ******'s sake.

Why are you ignoring the evidence I have posted that at one time Turkish Cypriot schoolchildren were required to learn this by heart? It troubles me that I hear not a word of condemnation from Turkish Cypriots.

This should trouble all of us Tim.

Sure all free thinking people carry with them an individual conscience. I am convinced that in too many, many cases this individual judgement is lacking in the Turkish cultural gene having been expelled by generation after generation of indoctrination in the blind, unquestioning loyalty to "motherland" and "army" and "crappy flag" and by the cult of that hideous Atitork.

I am not sure why Ataturk's name gets dragged through the mud in the most surprising of contexts. This is the Ataturk who in 1934 was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by one-time Greek Prime-Minister Eleftherios Venizelos.

Or was he?

http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/public ... 04355.html

[miltiades]

LB,

Are you saying that the article is made up? It would be easy to cross check on that.

Listen, I know that there are mlitaristic chants/poems/war cries etc in every nation, and maybe the Turks shout louder than most.

The poem itself may not be made up, I'm just confused by the so called 'Hurriyet article' that is deemed to be dated the 18th July 74 and that it was 'sung' by Turks/TC's in Cyprus prior to that date - as I mentioned earlier, this was in the middle of a coup.

I fail to understand what you are driving at 74LB.

I am trying to tell you that this ......

The Turkish troops came well prepared both physically and mentally. The brainwashing perfected. The hatred etched in their psyches to kill the Greek-speaking dogs.

The text of HATRED was published by the large circulation Turkish newspaper Hurriyet on 18 July 1974, just 48 hours before the Turkish invasion of Cyprus by order of the Ecevit government.

does not tally up with the article heading .........

..."Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....."

Hopefully you will believe Tim's translation when he makes it.

Wth regards to your finishing sentence

Was / is this sort of hatred (malice) directed exclusively at Greek-speaking people or do the Turks hold similar extreme views such as these, against other ethnic groups?

I can say 100% (imo ) that this is not a view held by me or any TC's I know. You may need to ask someone from the mainland for their view.

I agree with 74LB , that this view " is not a view held by me or any TC's I know. "" May I also say that such abhorrent views are not held by any T/C that I know . Lets not paint all with the same tainted brush.

[Oracle]

To be fair on the issue of this poem (“Kin”) which translates into “grief” but it may have as well been titled as “hate,” my information -which is very accurate as in most cases, is that it wasn’t been asked to be recited by children in schools -at least in a systematic way. It was however -a shortened version of it, been broadcasted on a daily basis from bayrak radio between 1963 and 1974 in Cyprus, has indeed been printed in Huriyyet newspaper during the preparatory days before the 1974 invasion to Cyprus, and had been played to the soldiers through the speakers of the sea landing ships carrying the Turkish troops to Cyprus during the 1974 invasion.

Kifeas ,
your comments looks correct to me on this .
but i have no idea about it has been played back to soldiers during the invasion as a settler of Lapitos you may heard it during the invasion .
i am 100% sure we never had during our school days .
Similar things were played to Turkish site of the Nicosia between 64-74 Turkish Song called ''Bekledim da Gellmedi '' it's mean İ waited and Did not come . There were all part of the cold war between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots . We had all those things in Cyprus .
İ hope both of us got good lessones from our past mistakes .
we all know how we were before 74 and after 74 and how we are now .

question is how we can satisfay our benefits or interests from now on

So the fact it was played to the Turkish troops prior to invasion remains unchallenged.

Which then begs the question we originally assigned, which is why would peace-keeping troops be primed for attack with such a hate-filled chant?

Without doubt the Turks came to kill the Greek-speaking natives and steal their land, and of that no doubt can remain.

They did not act as guarantors 34 years ago.

They did not have the peace-restoring interest of the island at heart.

It was 100% an expansionist invasion by Turkey.

[bill cobbett]

LB,

Are you saying that the article is made up? It would be easy to cross check on that.

Listen, I know that there are mlitaristic chants/poems/war cries etc in every nation, and maybe the Turks shout louder than most.

The poem itself may not be made up, I'm just confused by the so called 'Hurriyet article' that is deemed to be dated the 18th July 74 and that it was 'sung' by Turks/TC's in Cyprus prior to that date - as I mentioned earlier, this was in the middle of a coup.

I fail to understand what you are driving at 74LB.

I am trying to tell you that this ......

The Turkish troops came well prepared both physically and mentally. The brainwashing perfected. The hatred etched in their psyches to kill the Greek-speaking dogs.

The text of HATRED was published by the large circulation Turkish newspaper Hurriyet on 18 July 1974, just 48 hours before the Turkish invasion of Cyprus by order of the Ecevit government.

does not tally up with the article heading .........

..."Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....."

Hopefully you will believe Tim's translation when he makes it.

Wth regards to your finishing sentence

Was / is this sort of hatred (malice) directed exclusively at Greek-speaking people or do the Turks hold similar extreme views such as these, against other ethnic groups?

I can say 100% (imo ) that this is not a view held by me or any TC's I know. You may need to ask someone from the mainland for their view.

I agree with 74LB , that this view " is not a view held by me or any TC's I know. "" May I also say that such abhorrent views are not held by any T/C that I know . Lets not paint all with the same tainted brush.

Any chance of M and 74LB taking out the qualification in their posts when they both say ...." that I know " . There may too many who they do not know who are attracted by the views in this foul poem.

On the matter of the cult of Ataturk - one of the things that struck me on two visits to the Occupied North was that in every school there were poorly sculpted statues to this man, as well as the obligatory dual flags of invasion. Completely unacceptable example of indoctrination of schoolchildren.

[GreekForumer]

When were the "we come in peace" leaflets dropped ?

"Kin" poems for Turkish domestic consumption and "peace leaflets" for the rest of the world.

[74LB]

Bill C - Fair enough. This is not a view held by me and I doubt these views are held by anyone except the mindless few. But if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find these in every nationality (maybe even in Greece or the RoC).

With regards to statues of Ataturk and the flags of Turkey and the TRNC - yes, to the visitor they may seem here, there and everywhere, but the TC's don't bat an eyelid to these. The majority will no doubt be removed once a solution is reached.

[Kikapu]

Bill C - Fair enough. This is not a view held by me and I doubt these views are held by anyone except the mindless few. But if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find these in every nationality (maybe even in Greece or the RoC).

With regards to statues of Ataturk and the flags of Turkey and the TRNC - yes, to the visitor they may seem here, there and everywhere, but the TC's don't bat an eyelid to these. The majority will no doubt be removed once a solution is reached.

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i]With regards to statues of Ataturk and the flags of Turkey and the TRNC - yes, to the visitor they may seem here, there and everywhere, but the TC's don't bat an eyelid to these.[/i]

Don't be so sure 74LB. Advertising pays off. The whole world knows who McDonald's is, and yet, they spend millions of $$$$$ every single year to advertise their products, to keep it fresh in peoples consciousness. It is the same with the statues and flags. It is all about "forced feeding of nationalism" to the subconscious mind.!

[miltiades]

Bill C - Fair enough. This is not a view held by me and I doubt these views are held by anyone except the mindless few. But if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find these in every nationality (maybe even in Greece or the RoC).

With regards to statues of Ataturk and the flags of Turkey and the TRNC - yes, to the visitor they may seem here, there and everywhere, but the TC's don't bat an eyelid to these. The majority will no doubt be removed once a solution is reached.

Here is one of many T/Cs , one who belongs to the majority , one who is not indoctrinated to hate his fellow Cypriots. I do not know every single T/C , no one does , but I do know that the views of 74LB are representative of the silent majority , the T/Cs who want to live in peace with their other compatriots on an island that they too claim as their country .
I have not met 74LB , and neither have I ever spoken to him , but I do know from his few and far between posts that he is one proud Cypriot who harbours not one iota of hatred for his fellow Cypriots.
I can state here and now that 74LB shares most if not all of my views on the Cyprus issue.

[Oracle]

Bill C - Fair enough. This is not a view held by me and I doubt these views are held by anyone except the mindless few. But if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find these in every nationality (maybe even in Greece or the RoC).

With regards to statues of Ataturk and the flags of Turkey and the TRNC - yes, to the visitor they may seem here, there and everywhere, but the TC's don't bat an eyelid to these. The majority will no doubt be removed once a solution is reached.

74LB .... I too have a high opinion of you, mostly because your patriotism and love of your people shines through, but you know you have to be very careful how you excuse their behaviour, and you sound so much like you are trying to lead them by example.

But worryingly, you have not condemned the poem and its message.

You seemed more concerned about an insignificant headline, perhaps to gently guide us away from the poem.

Again, whilst I accept jingoism is part and parcel of nationalism ... I have never seen such a poem ... and one used by the state .... and we know now it was played on the radio and recited / sang by the Turkish troops prior to invasion.

You say the TCs don't bat an eyelid to the flags ... that is very worrying. They appear slothful at the least and now accepting of the occupation as a fait accompli.

It seems we will get no help from the TCs towards a solution.