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[Nikitas]

LB,

Are you saying that the article is made up? It would be easy to cross check on that.

[Tim Drayton]

I'll say again......

Calm down people Looks like Oracle has posted a thread to stir up some more 'hatred' ?

This 'article/poem' has been posted before (by Oracle as well) and far be it from me to justify the portrayed 'hatred' (or even to say 'where's the link ?' to the real article ) but just looking at the 'Hurriyet' snapshot, the headline says "Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....." which directly translates to "In Cyprus, the Turks are sing....." which is kinda odd if it was published before 20th July would you not say ?

Why would 'Turks' or does it refer to 'Turkish Cypriots' be singing words of 'hatred' on the 18th July 1974 ?

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this poem taught as part of the school curriculum in Turkish Cypriot schools post 1974 under the Denktash regime? I don't think that light can or should be made of it. This is racist filth.

[Paphitis]

Tim, it is more than deplorable, it conveys a sadistic hatred which you can almost taste. Having livedin Turkey and having a vantage point to the Turkish psyche, do you know of other ethnic groups that are viewed in the same way by the Turks?

Such a very easy question to answer.

The Turks have expressed similar vile towards the Armenians, Pontic Greeks, Assyrians and also the Kurds.

The mere publication of the poem in a major newspaper shows that the operation of 1974 was anything but a peace operation. The poem, in conjunction with other propaganda items, like the posters showing soldiers stappin on Cyprus explain the behavior of the Turkish army once it gained the upper hand on the island.

And yet the world just accepts such hatred and war crimes by doing nothing. Where is the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, NZ, Canada, South Africa and other coalition partners? Why rush to liberate Kuwait from the Iraqi Army and just let the Cyprus injustice continue? Are we such a hypocritical world?

[Oracle]

Calm down people Looks like Oracle has posted a thread to stir up some more 'hatred' ?

This 'article/poem' has been posted before (by Oracle as well) and far be it from me to justify the portrayed 'hatred' (or even to say 'where's the link ?' to the real article ) but just looking at the 'Hurriyet' snapshot, the headline says "Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....." which directly translates to "In Cyprus, the Turks are sing....." which is kinda odd if it was published before 20th July would you not say ?

Why would 'Turks' or does it refer to 'Turkish Cypriots' be singing words of 'hatred' on the 18th July 1974 ?

Hello 74LB

I re-post only because last time the responses met with harsh deletions ... due to personal attacks on me, rather than discussion of the poem and its context.

Why should I stir up hatred by depicting something Turkish? Are you disputing its publication?

And precisely why the date should be so worrisome, since much inference can be made.

We all know of Ecevit's love of poetry and how stirring such jingoistic offerings can be.

So since you bring it up, why would they "sing" prior to invasion?

[Oracle]

I seem to recall BirKibrisli mentioned it was played repeatedly on the radio prior to 1974 ... I will search and see if I can find his post ...

[GreekForumer]

This poem is deplorable.

Tim, how good or accurate is the English translation above ? Did it convey everything from that poem ?

[Paphitis]

I'll say again......

Calm down people Looks like Oracle has posted a thread to stir up some more 'hatred' ?

This 'article/poem' has been posted before (by Oracle as well) and far be it from me to justify the portrayed 'hatred' (or even to say 'where's the link ?' to the real article ) but just looking at the 'Hurriyet' snapshot, the headline says "Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....." which directly translates to "In Cyprus, the Turks are sing....." which is kinda odd if it was published before 20th July would you not say ?

Why would 'Turks' or does it refer to 'Turkish Cypriots' be singing words of 'hatred' on the 18th July 1974 ?

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this poem taught as part of the school curriculum in Turkish Cypriot schools post 1974 under the Denktash regime? I don't think that light can or should be made of it. This is racist filth.

I beleive you are correct Tim. Such vile formed part of the Turkish education curricula. I will try and research this and provide some evidence.

[Tim Drayton]

This poem is deplorable.

Tim, how good or accurate is the English translation above ? Did it convey everything from that poem ?

Sadly it conveys the spirit of the poem very well, even if there are some innacuracies. I would think that "Malice" would be a better translation of the title.

I have never actually seen this before. I know that some pretty sick stuff was taught as part of the school curriculum in the Denktash era. I googled the first line of this poem and found an article written by a Turkish Cypriot deploring the way that they were taught to hate Greek Cypriots when they were at school - and he quotes this poem as one that they were made to recite - or was it sung? It beggars belief.

[Kifeas]

Calm down people Looks like Oracle has posted a thread to stir up some more 'hatred' ?

This 'article/poem' has been posted before (by Oracle as well) and far be it from me to justify the portrayed 'hatred' (or even to say 'where's the link ?' to the real article ) but just looking at the 'Hurriyet' snapshot, the headline says "Kibrista Turkler bu sarkilari soylu....." which directly translates to "In Cyprus, the Turks are sing....." which is kinda odd if it was published before 20th July would you not say ?

Why would 'Turks' or does it refer to 'Turkish Cypriots' be singing words of 'hatred' on the 18th July 1974 ?

"74LB," are you by any chance trying to explain to us that the 1974 illegal Turkish invasion of Cyprus was not in fact a deliberate brutal act of aggression against the overwhelming majority of the people of another country, for the sole aim to ethnically cleanse them, grab their lands and partition Cyprus; but that it rather was a "peace operation?"

[umit07]

As 74LB says the heading says , " Turks in Cyprus are singing this song" . Some guy wrote a poem which was printed in a newspaper in Turkey at a time when EOKA B had overthrown the "government" .