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[insan]

Forget the bi-communal, bi-sexual and all the rest of bi’s!

I'm all for a bi-sexual federation... at least TV would be more interesting...

Although the prospect of Christofias and Talat having an in-depth debate is enough to make on lose one's lunch

Cyprus is one and only one and indivisible. It belongs equally to all its people, the Cypriots. There is only one people in Cyprus, the Cypriots. Among others, there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There is no Turkish and no Greek Cyprus. Those who do not feel Cypriots and instead they claim to be Greeks or GreekCypriots or Turks or TurkishCypriots can as well live the country because this country belongs only to the Cypriots. Bi-sexuals, by-zonals and all the rest can go to …… Here is Cyprus. Here is not Greece is not Turkey is not Uganda.

I am only a Cypriot!

In theory that's what it should be but in reality; Cyprus governed by pro-motherlanders and pro-westerners in full cooperation with motherlanders and western world. People of Cyprus is only the puppets of the politicians. People of Cyprus(overwhelming majority) partisantly support the political parties in order to get their share. Just give and take. A resiprocal, political satisfaction. Human rights and legality is only needed when it suits. Otherwise forget all about equality, human rights and laws. Economically most viable, valuable land pieces of cyprus are owned by a small minority of wealthy Cypriots. Even most probably half of the Cyprus is owned by the wealthy Cypriots that even don't constitute %10 of Cypriots. Those wealty Cypriots invited wealthy Europeans to come and grabbed the other half. They are the masters of Cyprus and the puppet people of Cyprus is just their apprentices who beg to be given a bit more share. The name of the game: One world government, Master and The puppets. Regional elites who exploit its people in order to stay in power, grab more and serve their masters.

[metecyp]

Yes I am a modern, secular person who supports the Kemalist ideology. If you call me fascist, then it will be only your problem. But if you keep insulting the Turks and try to find some cheap excuses, then I will always get offended with such posts.

Don't bother man. I tried to have a healthy discussion with him on Kemalism a while ago. Now, I see it was a total waste of time.

Kifeas: I'm curious though. What's your occupation? Where do you learn your history and politics? It seems like you have strong opinions on subjects (eg. Kemalism) (however misguided they are) that an average GC wouldn't have.

[Kifeas]

Forget the bi-communal, bi-sexual and all the rest of bi’s!

I'm all for a bi-sexual federation... at least TV would be more interesting...

Although the prospect of Christofias and Talat having an in-depth debate is enough to make on lose one's lunch

Cyprus is one and only one and indivisible. It belongs equally to all its people, the Cypriots. There is only one people in Cyprus, the Cypriots. Among others, there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There is no Turkish and no Greek Cyprus. Those who do not feel Cypriots and instead they claim to be Greeks or GreekCypriots or Turks or TurkishCypriots can as well live the country because this country belongs only to the Cypriots. Bi-sexuals, by-zonals and all the rest can go to …… Here is Cyprus. Here is not Greece is not Turkey is not Uganda.

I am only a Cypriot!

In theory that's what it should be but in reality; Cyprus governed by pro-motherlanders and pro-westerners in full cooperation with motherlanders and western world. People of Cyprus is only the puppets of the politicians. People of Cyprus(overwhelming majority) partisantly support the political parties in order to get their share. Just give and take. A resiprocal, political satisfaction. Human rights and legality is only needed when it suits. Otherwise forget all about equality, human rights and laws. Economically most viable, valuable land pieces of cyprus are owned by a small minority of wealthy Cypriots. Even most probably half of the Cyprus is owned by the wealthy Cypriots that even don't constitute %10 of Cypriots. Those wealty Cypriots invited wealthy Europeans to come and grabbed the other half. They are the masters of Cyprus and the puppet people of Cyprus is just their apprentices who beg to be given a bit more share. The name of the game: One world government, Master and The puppets. Regional elites who exploit its people in order to stay in power, grab more and serve their masters.

Insan, I agree with your analysis.
Don't you think however that before starting to solve all the above problems and inequalities that you described, we have to first solve the Cyprus problem?

[salonica]

Believe it or not Kemalism is a subject well discussed in Greece. There are some prons and cons.

I have two points to make.

In Kemalism the army is the guarrantor of the solidarity and protects the cosmic status of the country. several coups proved that. Now, all I am asking is that: does the state fears-dislike (or anything) its own people that even if they decide (the majority I mean ) to have a more Islamist governemtn, the army will play its role. Isn't that kind of confusing? It sounds to me like the dog its watching the sheep. and we are talking about a whole society here.

The last thing that really makes me sceptical is all those Attaturk posters everywhere in Turkey. In the parliament, in Universities everywhere. You will not find anything similar to other western countries. I mean I have in mind Iran or even China who have the same kind of behaviour and is kind of antiaisthitiko( sory don't know the word).

But still, Kemalism is a major issue.

[Kifeas]

Yes I am a modern, secular person who supports the Kemalist ideology. If you call me fascist, then it will be only your problem. But if you keep insulting the Turks and try to find some cheap excuses, then I will always get offended with such posts.

Don't bother man. I tried to have a healthy discussion with him on Kemalism a while ago. Now, I see it was a total waste of time.

Kifeas: I'm curious though. What's your occupation? Where do you learn your history and politics? It seems like you have strong opinions on subjects (eg. Kemalism) (however misguided they are) that an average GC wouldn't have.

My friend,
Kemalism is a totalitarian ideology. One doesn't need to read to much into it to detect it. You can detect it immediately from the moment you step foot in Turkey and in the occupied areas. Where else except in totalitarian and fascist regimes you see every square, every school, every building and every mountain to be decorated with statutes of Atatürk and chauvinistic slogans painted on walls and mountains. Where else do you see so much passion and adoration of the national flag and so many hugely big and small flags almost everywhere you turn your eye.

The same was happening in Stalin’s soviet union, the same was happening in Iraq with statues of Sadam Husein, the same was happening in Tsiaouseskou's Romania. Everywhere statues of the "national hero." All these countries were totalitarian countries. Kemalist Turkey is a totalitarian regime.

[insan]

Forget the bi-communal, bi-sexual and all the rest of bi’s!

I'm all for a bi-sexual federation... at least TV would be more interesting...

Although the prospect of Christofias and Talat having an in-depth debate is enough to make on lose one's lunch

Cyprus is one and only one and indivisible. It belongs equally to all its people, the Cypriots. There is only one people in Cyprus, the Cypriots. Among others, there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There is no Turkish and no Greek Cyprus. Those who do not feel Cypriots and instead they claim to be Greeks or GreekCypriots or Turks or TurkishCypriots can as well live the country because this country belongs only to the Cypriots. Bi-sexuals, by-zonals and all the rest can go to …… Here is Cyprus. Here is not Greece is not Turkey is not Uganda.

I am only a Cypriot!

In theory that's what it should be but in reality; Cyprus governed by pro-motherlanders and pro-westerners in full cooperation with motherlanders and western world. People of Cyprus is only the puppets of the politicians. People of Cyprus(overwhelming majority) partisantly support the political parties in order to get their share. Just give and take. A resiprocal, political satisfaction. Human rights and legality is only needed when it suits. Otherwise forget all about equality, human rights and laws. Economically most viable, valuable land pieces of cyprus are owned by a small minority of wealthy Cypriots. Even most probably half of the Cyprus is owned by the wealthy Cypriots that even don't constitute %10 of Cypriots. Those wealty Cypriots invited wealthy Europeans to come and grabbed the other half. They are the masters of Cyprus and the puppet people of Cyprus is just their apprentices who beg to be given a bit more share. The name of the game: One world government, Master and The puppets. Regional elites who exploit its people in order to stay in power, grab more and serve their masters.

Insan, I agree with your analysis.
Don't you think however that before starting to solve all the above problems and inequalities that you described, we have to first solve the Cyprus problem?

The solution of Cyprus problem has already been designed to serve the local and outside elites. Instead of solving the existing problems of ordinary people of Cyprus; the planned solution of the cyprus problem will create new and heavier problems for the working classes. The most affected will be poor TCs. I don't think a bunch of Cypriots who are aware of the dark furture of Cyprus would be able to stop the greedy local elites, motherland elites and European elites who solely run after more money and more power. Overwhelming majority of Cypriots are unconsciously under control of local political elites.

It's too late to stop or change the direction of the events. Armageddon is on the road coming. Humanity is digging its own hole.

[metecyp]

Where else do you see so much passion and adoration of the national flag and so many hugely big and small flags almost everywhere you turn your eye.

You still haven't answered what your occupation is..Anyway, I guess the US is totalitarian as well. I definetely see a lot of flags around especially after 9/11. The biggest flag I've ever seen (except the one in Cyprus) is also in America. I also see "God bless America" everywhere, on shop windows, markets, etc. So definetely according to your description, America is a totalitarian regime.

[Kifeas]

In Kemalism the army is the guarrantor of the solidarity and protects the cosmic status of the country.

This is exactly what the Greek junta generals claimed to have seize power for in order to impose to the Greek people. The army to be the guarantor and ultimate formulator of national and foreign policy.

several coups proved that. Now, all I am asking is that: does the state fears-dislike (or anything) its own people that even if they decide (the majority I mean ) to have a more Islamist governemtn, the army will play its role. Isn't that kind of confusing? It sounds to me like the dog its watching the sheep. and we are talking about a whole society here.

Kemalist ideology requires the army to be the ultimate formulator of internal and external policy and the guarantor of secularism. However it replaced the Islamic religion with Atatürkism. Turkey is not a secular country. It has an official religion that plays a role in it's politics but this is not Islam but Atatürkism.

The last thing that really makes me sceptical is all those Attaturk posters everywhere in Turkey. In the parliament, in Universities everywhere. You will not find anything similar to other western countries. I mean I have in mind Iran or even China who have the same kind of behaviour and is kind of antiaisthitiko( sory don't know the word).

It is universally called “Kitsch”

[Kifeas]

It is the Kemalism that saved the Turkish nation from invading countries (i.e Britain, France, Greece, Russia, Italy). It is the Kemalism that toppled down the corrupt Sultan and its supporters. It is the Kemalism that emancipated people from the yoke of Sharia law. IT is the Kemalism that allowed women to vote and stand for election….

Even you a fervent Kemalist have got it all wrong. You confuse the acts and deeds of Kemal Atatürk as an army general and as a reformist, with the Kemalist ideology, which is a totally different issue and a later phenomena. The Kemalist ideology and it’s supporters, the Kemalists) is a totalitarian ideology that claims to be based on the so-called principles of Atatürk, but is nothing more than a concealed set of fascist doctrines aiming to control and manipulate the people and blind them to serve the deep-state political and military Kemalist elite and it’s megalomaniac aspirations.

Kemal Atatürk is not equal to Kemalism, the doctrine claiming to be based on the so-called (outdated) principles of Atatürk.

[salonica]

It is universally called “Kitsch”

Cheers man lol me



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