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[michalis5354]

Insan , Very interesting all you have writtent above. It contains lots of Facts some of them hiden and not well documented or even presented to the GC side especially the youths.

For 40 years same fascist leaders of both communities met and negotiate for a solution... but they never reached a conclusion cause the GC leaders hidden aim was Enosis and TC leaders aim was Taksim...

Your conclusion is also valid . This is the reason we have all these problems now and still struggling for settlement

[mehmet]

'Your attempt to associate the great majority of Greek Cypriots that will say "no" with somebody like Grivas is an insult to the people that believed and continue to believe in democracy.'

Where you get that idea from? I was talking about Grivas and the way he succeeded in polarising Greek Cypriot society and taking over the political agenda when to be against him was to put your life at risk. If anyone wants to honour his memory thay can't expect to be regarded as freinds of the idea of a united Cyprus. He is the single individual with most responsibility for the situation today. Not the only one but the major one.

[Piratis]

If anyone wants to honour his memory thay can't expect to be regarded as freinds of the idea of a united Cyprus

Yes, and the party that honors his memory is the same party that asked from its own supporters to vote "yes".

Most people that vote "no" are people that regard human rights and democracy as the highest values, and they are the exact opposite of extremists.
Sure, some of them might reject the plan for different, less noble, reasons, but those are just a very small percentage.

[mehmet]

Look, I'm not saying do what AKEL say, don't do what DISY or any of the other parties say. I was responding to the suggestion that I am trying to equate people who are against Annan plan as pro-Grivas people. When I talk about the question of whether Grivas is a freedom fighter or terrorist I try and highlight why being pro-Grivas in this day and age is going to lead to continuing division. If what you are telling me is that some of the 'yes' vote in Greek Cypriot side is by pro-Grivas people then fair enough. If opinion polls of criminals showed majority for 'no' vote, I wouldn't use that as an arguement to vote yes. There are better reasons to vote yes and to vote no. Some of us in Turkish Cypriot community are aware we are going to deal with this issue of nationalism because until we do we will have ethnic states instead of united states. Some time ago you said to start dialogue about solution. Now is not the time when there is referundum on real plan only days away. Like you for me a unitary state would be the ideal. You have to deal with this issue of nationalism within your community just as we are having to deal with it in the Turkish Cypriot side. I would have thought that actions recently agianst Denktas's policy would have told you the way the tide is turning. We have yet to see your community confront your nationalists, in fact you have one as your President elected after one vote as you remind us from time to time. It may be democracy but it is also the reason we have separate future. Your choice, your democracy.