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[Oracle]

There is a lot of evidence to suggest career-Soldiers are more likely to rape and abuse ... discuss!

If you are going to make a statement like that, then back it up with your source. I would like to know how likely I am to rape and abuse someone when I've finished my 22yrs service.

Soldiers, no matter what the nationality, only do what the governments (that you people elect) tell them to do. If you civvies can't stand behind us, then come and stand in front of us for our measly wage.

As I said at the end of my statement ...discuss
I didn't want the data to be the issue .

My prime objective was to get a feel for what people thought. Perceptions about volunteers. Our prejudices, stereotypes and also fanatical support of soldiers. As well as obviously the views from those who have joined.

You sound like you have a gripe about the wages ... but isn't everything else paid for?

What about early retirement and good pensions?

Do volunteers (euphemism?) think about financial benefits or is the lifestyle the main attraction?

[murf62]

My prime objective was to get a feel for what people thought.

Nope, your prime objective was to provoke argument, as in 99% of your other posts, which is of course your duty as the resident forum troll.

Do you have any of this 'evidence' that we are 'likely to rape & abuse'? I will discuss it, when there is something concrete to discuss.

[roseandchan]

our friend was a para. i asked him if he always like flying and aircrafts that sort of thing. he replied no, the first time he flew was when he had to jump out of the plane during training. think that sums it up for me.

[tessintrnc]

I don't think that the army "attracts" rapists any more than the teaching proffession "attracts" paedophiles!!! Granted some may join up because of unemployment elsewhere but that also doesn't mean they want to kill, maime and rape!!!

[Oracle]

My prime objective was to get a feel for what people thought.

Nope, your prime objective was to provoke argument, as in 99% of your other posts, which is of course your duty as the resident forum troll.

Do you have any of this 'evidence' that we are 'likely to rape & abuse'? I will discuss it, when there is something concrete to discuss.

What is wrong with provoking "argument" if that is the only way you see fit to interpret a request to discuss ... which you chose to ignore twice in order to preferentially attack me.

Please remain civil!

Since you cannot wait for the discussion to open before we turn to the data ... I will show some ... but please leave me to decide when I wish to open a thread to gather opinion or discuss something I already know, since I had the data and have my views on it, I just wanted to see others perceptions first ...

Stop Military Rape

Military Rape Crisis Center
[email protected]

Too important to ignore….. Did you know………?

25 % of women will be sexually assaulted on a college campus.
12 % of women will be raped while in college.
28-66 % of women in the military REPORT sexual assault *
27 % of women are REPORTED raped in the military
BUT……

Sexual assault remains a pervasive problem for women in the military, including those currently deployed overseas. The military's hierarchy is ill-equipped and unwilling to deal fairly with rape complaints.

AND what are they doing about it currently……………?

According to the Department of Defense's own statistics 74-85% of soldiers convicted of rape or sexual assault leave the military with honorable discharges (meaning the rape conviction does not appear on their record!). Only 2-3% of soldiers accused of rape are ever court-martialed. And only 5-6% of soldiers accused of domestic abuse are ever
court-martialed. In fact several multiple homicides have recently taken place on military bases that have not even been criminally prosecuted!


Department of Defense's definition of Morale Booster, for male soldiers:

FEMALE SOLDIERS

Take as needed, dispose when finished and continue serving with 'honor'


Please remember………… Many suffer in silent shame. Never forget.


**Statistics taken from various sources including studies done by the Department of Veterans Affair (VA).

**Updated on June 12, 2008

[miltiades]

Soldiering is the second oldest profession in the world. All nations require an army , the tasks of the armed forces are numerous and "killing" is an act that very few , at least in the Western world , participate in .
The British army in particular has been used on numerous occasions the world over for purely humanitarian tasks such as dealing with natural disasters .
Not many may know that way back in 1953 when earthquake struck Paphos , it was the British army who moved in immediately, treating the injured , putting up tents providing food and clothing , I know because I was there , all children were given sweets something we never used to have all those days ago , a little kindness that helped those of us who had lost a parent as a result of the earthquaqe.

My own son in law has been a regular in the Cypriot army for more than 10 years, I have met many of his unit and I can say honestly what a terrific bunch of guys they all are .
Every nation needs an army , a well disciplined and a well trained one .

[tessintrnc]

Oracle, do those sources have any information as to WHY this rape within the forces is so prolific? Is it the stress of their chosen career, the close proximity of the victims, or just that the armed forces do indeed attract rapists?

[roseandchan]

i think where oracle is going with this one is, that the british army is a bit like a boys club. the same as the law society and the free masons. women just won't get a fair hearing if something like sexual assault or rape happens. drug taking at the colchester garrison was always on the news when we lived in the uk.

[Oracle]

I didn't want to go anywhere with this particularly .... which is why I did not want to supply the data until I had formulated enough opinions ... but I was forced to above

Having said that ...

I take Miltiades' point that they are perhaps a necessary evil, since we have little alternative ....

But do we really need to glorify them so much?

[tessintrnc]

Soldiering is the second oldest profession in the world. All nations require an army , the tasks of the armed forces are numerous and "killing" is an act that very few , at least in the Western world , participate in .
The British army in particular has been used on numerous occasions the world over for purely humanitarian tasks such as dealing with natural disasters .
Not many may know that way back in 1953 when earthquake struck Paphos , it was the British army who moved in immediately, treating the injured , putting up tents providing food and clothing , I know because I was there , all children were given sweets something we never used to have all those days ago , a little kindness that helped those of us who had lost a parent as a result of the earthquaqe.

My own son in law has been a regular in the Cypriot army for more than 10 years, I have met many of his unit and I can say honestly what a terrific bunch of guys they all are .
Every nation needs an army , a well disciplined and a well trained one .

Very good post Mr M. There are good and bad in all walks of life.

I would like to see some proper links rather than cut and past please Oracle!!!