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[Oracle]

I do not want to see long-term British - Cypriot relations harmed because somebody may have a personal gripe.

My British friends are horrified at some general allegations branded about against Cyprus by some compatriots. For many it will be their retirement place, and they would not wish to be associated with possible scaremongering destroying the good atmosphere.

I will of course be seeking the support of my MP on this matter, when I am next in the UK ... so until then I want to get a feel for what is real, and what is merely for personal gain in terms of bad-mouthing Cyprus.

So what is the real state of play between the UK and Cyprus? Do you really think so low of Cyprus?

[pantheman]

Not wanting to add fuel to the fire, the truth is, there are too many cases of unprofesionlism going on.

Lawyers in developers pockets, bank mangers too friendly with developers and agents saying anything to make the sale.

In cyprus there has never been a case where one lawyer has taken on another, how then do you get redress when your lawyer lets you down?

Some things you cannot guard against and you are at the mercy of those you place in trust, sadly, things don't always work out.

Each case is different and needs to be looked at on its own merits.

Notwithstanding that, many thousands of properties have been sold trouble free and there are many happy customers, but it has left a sour taste and when the provebial shit hits the fan everyone gets tarred with the same brush. Its not fair really because there are alot of good professionals about and they all get criticised through no fault of their own.

These issues are not unique to cyprus, many well developed and 'civilsed' countries have worst problems, but the focus is on Cyprus right now and it doesn't help anyone, spreading this sort of bad publicity.

IMHO


P.S. I am not for or against any particular case or person, so please don't misconstrue what I have said.

[Oracle]

Completely agree pantheman .. these are in the nature of individuals and not attributable to a nation as a whole.

It is hard to accept when for the sake of a cause, a whole nation may be hijacked.

In the old days the British were judged by the Football hooligans abroad ... and I know I used to feel embarrassed when I heard about their behaviour on the BBC news ..... and did not wish to be associated with them.

Britain deserves more and Cyprus deserves more ....

[Nikitas]

We have a new player in the game now, the EU Commission and they can be reached by any individual with a genuine complain. They do respond and they do ask the government in questions some embarassing questions. If the answers are not right, or if there is widespread fraud and violation of EU rules, then the offender gets a honing. I have seen it happen in Greece several times. Latest one is the fine of 34000 Euro per day for each open rubbish tip.

So let us wait and get some EU input in this and not rely only on opinions orginating in the UK.

[CBBB]

Why talk about the British?

Cypriots have problems with property developers as well, but here we are much more laid back about these things and don't make crazy protests.

Ok, we might blow up the odd car or two, but so what.

[roseandchan]

i think oracle that some of the brits here expect to come to mini -britian because of the previous brit connections with the island. many do not integrate with the cypriots and do not fully understand the cypriots way of life. we would never have survived here without our cypriot friends. i listen to brits everyday complaining about things like water charges or hosepipe bans. i ask them how do they think my village feels ,when once we had loads of water and now have very little due to all the new villas being built? they think that hunting has killed all the wildlife, but when i tell them it is their newly constructed villa estates that did it not hunting they are shocked. lots don't even try to learn the language, they just expect others to speak english. the ones who all bad mouth cyprus are the ones who haven't integrated hence don't understand most of what is going on or how to deal with problems when they happen.

[Oracle]

We are on shaky ground, us Brits and Cypriots at a time when we should be forging better diplomatic and civil relations. Having had a "past" together, the likelihood is that we will be mixing increasingly into the future, not less.

I see us firmly as equal EU partners and once the matter of the Turks is dealt with; Cypriots can sally forth with self-determination too.

Having gained this rightful status, perhaps Cypriots will be looked upon as equal fellows by more Brits too. When someone is down, it is too easy for the less-confident minded, to further kick the sufferer ... however the vast majority are good eggs, and do not add further to the pain.

When regretful humanly mistakes happen, it is one's interpretation of how to proceed which needs the greatest thought. Arbitration, litigation or "taking the law" into ones own hands, so to speak, may be the gamuts of responses.

The advice one receives at this juncture can have a great bearing on the choices made and the outcome; as could ones conduct I reckon.

I guess in this modern world, too often we try to mimic the "rich and famous" and mistakenly believe litigation is quick and painless and with much promise.

Then if we don't get the results we want, we may fail to realise, being only human, that it may be because we are not as much in the right as we may have wistfully conned ourselves into believing. That's when I feel, it is hardest to walk away and allow justice to complete its course, even if it grinds much slower than we desire, in our eagerness to get our hands on the tempting goodies.

These are just my thoughts, as I try to make sense of our world and in my wish and desire for good feelings between my fellow Brits and Cypriots, as I face another crossroads in my life.

[CBBB]

In general relations between the Cypriots and the British are very good, but every nationality has it's idiots and these are the ones we normally hear about.

It does get a much higher profile when the idiots are in power!

[pantheman]

We are on shaky ground, us Brits and Cypriots at a time when we should be forging better diplomatic and civil relations. Having had a "past" together, the likelihood is that we will be mixing increasingly into the future, not less.

I see us firmly as equal EU partners and once the matter of the Turks is dealt with; Cypriots can sally forth with self-determination too.

Having gained this rightful status, perhaps Cypriots will be looked upon as equal fellows by more Brits too. When someone is down, it is too easy for the less-confident minded, to further kick the sufferer ... however the vast majority are good eggs, and do not add further to the pain.

When regretful humanly mistakes happen, it is one's interpretation of how to proceed which needs the greatest thought. Arbitration, litigation or "taking the law" into ones own hands, so to speak, may be the gamuts of responses.

The advice one receives at this juncture can have a great bearing on the choices made and the outcome; as could ones conduct I reckon.

I guess in this modern world, too often we try to mimic the "rich and famous" and mistakenly believe litigation is quick and painless and with much promise.

Then if we don't get the results we want, we may fail to realise, being only human, that it may be because we are not as much in the right as we may have wistfully conned ourselves into believing. That's when I feel, it is hardest to walk away and allow justice to complete its course, even if it grinds much slower than we desire, in our eagerness to get our hands on the tempting goodies.

These are just my thoughts, as I try to make sense of our world and in my wish and desire for good feelings between my fellow Brits and Cypriots, as I face another crossroads in my life.

hellooooooo Oracle, is that youuuuuu! Have you taken something this morning????

probably the nicest post you have ever made

Now show me the real deal girl !

[perdike]

We are on shaky ground, us Brits and Cypriots at a time when we should be forging better diplomatic and civil relations. Having had a "past" together, the likelihood is that we will be mixing increasingly into the future, not less.

I see us firmly as equal EU partners and once the matter of the Turks is dealt with; Cypriots can sally forth with self-determination too.

Having gained this rightful status, perhaps Cypriots will be looked upon as equal fellows by more Brits too. When someone is down, it is too easy for the less-confident minded, to further kick the sufferer ... however the vast majority are good eggs, and do not add further to the pain.

When regretful humanly mistakes happen, it is one's interpretation of how to proceed which needs the greatest thought. Arbitration, litigation or "taking the law" into ones own hands, so to speak, may be the gamuts of responses.

The advice one receives at this juncture can have a great bearing on the choices made and the outcome; as could ones conduct I reckon.

I guess in this modern world, too often we try to mimic the "rich and famous" and mistakenly believe litigation is quick and painless and with much promise.

Then if we don't get the results we want, we may fail to realise, being only human, that it may be because we are not as much in the right as we may have wistfully conned ourselves into believing. That's when I feel, it is hardest to walk away and allow justice to complete its course, even if it grinds much slower than we desire, in our eagerness to get our hands on the tempting goodies.

These are just my thoughts, as I try to make sense of our world and in my wish and desire for good feelings between my fellow Brits and Cypriots, as I face another crossroads in my life.

hellooooooo Oracle, is that youuuuuu! Have you taken something this morning????

probably the nicest post you have ever made

Now show me the real deal girl !

Yessss! I am likewise impressed. She must have returned home via Damascus last night!!