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[roseandchan]

i agree with the mixing part but also at some point the turks will become part of the e.u family.

[Oracle]

We are on shaky ground, us Brits and Cypriots at a time when we should be forging better diplomatic and civil relations. Having had a "past" together, the likelihood is that we will be mixing increasingly into the future, not less.

I see us firmly as equal EU partners and once the matter of the Turks is dealt with; Cypriots can sally forth with self-determination too.

Having gained this rightful status, perhaps Cypriots will be looked upon as equal fellows by more Brits too. When someone is down, it is too easy for the less-confident minded, to further kick the sufferer ... however the vast majority are good eggs, and do not add further to the pain.

When regretful humanly mistakes happen, it is one's interpretation of how to proceed which needs the greatest thought. Arbitration, litigation or "taking the law" into ones own hands, so to speak, may be the gamuts of responses.

The advice one receives at this juncture can have a great bearing on the choices made and the outcome; as could ones conduct I reckon.

I guess in this modern world, too often we try to mimic the "rich and famous" and mistakenly believe litigation is quick and painless and with much promise.

Then if we don't get the results we want, we may fail to realise, being only human, that it may be because we are not as much in the right as we may have wistfully conned ourselves into believing. That's when I feel, it is hardest to walk away and allow justice to complete its course, even if it grinds much slower than we desire, in our eagerness to get our hands on the tempting goodies.

These are just my thoughts, as I try to make sense of our world and in my wish and desire for good feelings between my fellow Brits and Cypriots, as I face another crossroads in my life.

hellooooooo Oracle, is that youuuuuu! Have you taken something this morning????

probably the nicest post you have ever made

Now show me the real deal girl !

Reh pantheman ....

There are many strings to my bow

Thoughtful arguments just take longer to get noticed, in preference to provocative immediate gratifying fast-quip responses (although there is a good supply of those in stock ).

Besides, I have had some great tips from Admin

[Feisty]

I do not want to see long-term British - Cypriot relations harmed because somebody may have a personal gripe.

My British friends are horrified at some general allegations branded about against Cyprus by some compatriots. For many it will be their retirement place, and they would not wish to be associated with possible scaremongering destroying the good atmosphere.

I will of course be seeking the support of my MP on this matter, when I am next in the UK ... so until then I want to get a feel for what is real, and what is merely for personal gain in terms of bad-mouthing Cyprus.

So what is the real state of play between the UK and Cyprus? Do you really think so low of Cyprus?

Oracle, you do not have to think low of Cyprus to hate some of the things that happen there or anywhere else for that matter. You are one for pulling up newspaper articles to counter arguments and we could all spend many hours doing the same of probably any country. I live in the UK and hate many of the things that happen here but if someone were to attack the country in general I would defend it. If they were to attack the things that I know are wrong, I could not and would not defend it.

As Pantheman says, there are many problems within the Cyprus development industry as a whole with too many banks, lawyers and developers in each other's pockets and this has to be changed for the good of the EU as a whole which Cyprus is now a part of. I myself was bullied by my developer over my choice of bank to apply to for a mortgage when they uncovered the fact that the property I was attempting to mortgage did not even have planning permission to be built. He of course wanted me to use the 'one in his pocket'.

Many of the issues are not isolated and the ineffieciency of the legal system is used as a weapon against potential litigants rather than it upholding the laws. Contracts are broken every single day of the year (the most common being late delivery) and the common response if you tackle a lawyer about is (even when there is a clause in the contract stipulating compensation)- well you could go to court but it's not worth it and you'll be tied up for years. Most people don't want to spend their lives waiting to go to court with the resultant stress it causes.

[BOF]

We are on shaky ground, us Brits and Cypriots at a time when we should be forging better diplomatic and civil relations. Having had a "past" together, the likelihood is that we will be mixing increasingly into the future, not less.

I see us firmly as equal EU partners and once the matter of the Turks is dealt with; Cypriots can sally forth with self-determination too.

Having gained this rightful status, perhaps Cypriots will be looked upon as equal fellows by more Brits too. When someone is down, it is too easy for the less-confident minded, to further kick the sufferer ... however the vast majority are good eggs, and do not add further to the pain.

When regretful humanly mistakes happen, it is one's interpretation of how to proceed which needs the greatest thought. Arbitration, litigation or "taking the law" into ones own hands, so to speak, may be the gamuts of responses.

The advice one receives at this juncture can have a great bearing on the choices made and the outcome; as could ones conduct I reckon.

I guess in this modern world, too often we try to mimic the "rich and famous" and mistakenly believe litigation is quick and painless and with much promise.

Then if we don't get the results we want, we may fail to realise, being only human, that it may be because we are not as much in the right as we may have wistfully conned ourselves into believing. That's when I feel, it is hardest to walk away and allow justice to complete its course, even if it grinds much slower than we desire, in our eagerness to get our hands on the tempting goodies.

These are just my thoughts, as I try to make sense of our world and in my wish and desire for good feelings between my fellow Brits and Cypriots, as I face another crossroads in my life.

hellooooooo Oracle, is that youuuuuu! Have you taken something this morning????

probably the nicest post you have ever made

Now show me the real deal girl !

Reh pantheman ....

There are many strings to my bow

Thoughtful arguments just take longer to get noticed, in preference to provocative immediate gratifying fast-quip responses (although there is a good supply of those in stock ).

Besides, I have had some great tips from Admin

I likewise am suitably impressed!! page the oracle!
There are a couple of things i would like to see: more legislation by those who get elected and paid, to protect the consumer and block the loopholes these shysters exploit whatever their profession.
and a car buyers guide to prices in Cyprus. for new and used cars.
Two measures that woud benifit British and Cypriot - and go a long way to end he uneasy feeling that one may be being taken for a ride.....
But you do have to wonder - just how high is the s**t piled??
BOF

[Oracle]

I think Members of Parliament could play a more active role in smoothing over the rougher elements that may be harming British relationships abroad.

I know they are trying to curb the football hooligan image and the partying drunkard holidaymakers, but perhaps they can look into these new areas opening up now too.

Forging closer links between the UK and Cyprus can be another of the MP's duties especially if one is making a second home in Cyprus with all the pitfalls building entails in either country.

They usually jump on high-publicity bandwagons I think, if they believe there is a genuine grievance IMHO

[Feisty]

I would think an MEP would be a better starting place.

[Feisty]

I think Members of Parliament could play a more active role in smoothing over the rougher elements that may be harming British relationships abroad.

I know they are trying to curb the football hooligan image and the partying drunkard holidaymakers, but perhaps they can look into these new areas opening up now too.

Forging closer links between the UK and Cyprus can be another of the MP's duties especially if one is making a second home in Cyprus with all the pitfalls building entails in either country.

They usually jump on high-publicity bandwagons I think, if they believe there is a genuine grievance IMHO

Unfortunately they only jump on bandwagons that will potentially win them votes and something happening in another country is not likely to do that.
I wrote to mine in January over something very serious and got a reply sometime after 19th May when I'd moved house. He'd written to the Ministry of Justice on my behalf and I'm still awaiting a reply on that.

[Oracle]

I think Members of Parliament could play a more active role in smoothing over the rougher elements that may be harming British relationships abroad.

I know they are trying to curb the football hooligan image and the partying drunkard holidaymakers, but perhaps they can look into these new areas opening up now too.

Forging closer links between the UK and Cyprus can be another of the MP's duties especially if one is making a second home in Cyprus with all the pitfalls building entails in either country.

They usually jump on high-publicity bandwagons I think, if they believe there is a genuine grievance IMHO

Unfortunately they only jump on bandwagons that will potentially win them votes and something happening in another country is not likely to do that.
I wrote to mine in January over something very serious and got a reply sometime after 19th May when I'd moved house. He'd written to the Ministry of Justice on my behalf and I'm still awaiting a reply on that.

Well if we use an example close to home .... since he chose to bring it to us on this Forum ... the case of Conor, if you will?

He is taking his protest to the streets of London, outside a Diplomatic HQ (the Cyprus Embassy) in order perhaps to gain maximum publicity for his desire to get some money for reasons we are all still split as to weightiness of worth...

If I was his MP, and I don't know whom that may be, and not for want of asking ... then, if Conor had a genuine case .... I would have jumped on the bandwagon to support him.

But there is silence from any governmental support for Conor's cause or we would have had it rammed down our throats IMO ...... and it would not appear to be because Conor has not thought of it, as he seems to have been relentless in his campaign leaving no stone unturned, and a real trouper IMHO

Which brings me to the other of my concerns ... if he is an ex-squaddie, I would doubly jump at the chance to support him, if he had a genuine case or even a slightly iffy one, for patriotic duty.

The only thing as an MP that would keep me away from involvement with such a fellow, hypothetically, would be if he has a history of making money by litigation? ... a very lowdown form if you ask me ... and most MPs would thus shy away from involvement IMO ...

So for the sake of Cyprio-Brito relationships ... Conor in my opinion should accept the money suposadly offered to him by the developer then or now, whatever I do no know, and quit abusing all and sundry from what I can make out IMHO.

In my opinion it is all bad form ..... We should be building bridges not letting individuals for the sake of personal greed in my opinion, ruin a wonderful positive future together ....

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Oracle said:

outside a Diplomatic HQ (the Cyprus Embassy

High Commission, O!

[purdey]

Please Maynard, is there any need for that type of language. I enjoy your wit, but please let it go.