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[roseandchan]

in the picture is that the wife or the mistress? i know he had both, but i think this must be the wife,

[denizaksulu]

[quote="roseandchan"]in the picture is that the wife or the mistress? i know he had both, but i think this must be the wife,[/quote]


One of them.

[CopperLine]

Kikapu,
My understanding regarding the headscarf question is as follows : In keeping with previous constitutions the military-imposed constitution of 1982, following the 1980 coup, re-asserted the secular nature of the state. 'Secular' has a particular meaning in Turkey, different from its meaning in, say, France or the USA. One of the constitutional meanings in Turkey, it is asserted, is that religious symbols and references must be kept out of state institutions. Thus the issue of the headscarf is whether or not it constitutes a religious symbol. Many defenders of the headscarf have shifted their argument from saying that it is a religious symbol - varyingly required by Islamic custom - to saying that it is a human right to wear whatever one wants, or, more generally that it is a right to freedom of expression.

The confusion over universities and the headscarf is less to do with the fact that universities are (mostly) public institutions, but that there was a disputed interpretation of a constitutional court decision and the state body which regulates universities, YOK, was (a) not implementing the constitutional requirement or (b) was implementing the constitutional requirement - depending on your point of view.

The difficulty for those who argue that it is a right of freedom of expressio is that the secular constitution seeks to keep religion out of the state in a particular way. To allow the freedom of expression argument in means changing the constitution, and we need to ask ourselves whether this is a demand that should also be made for reform of the US, French and other constitutions.


in my own opinion the constitution of Turkey needs serious reform to be sure - as a military-imposed constitution it is fundamentally anti-democratic in character - but I would not reform it to allow religious infiltration into the secular state.

[Tim Drayton]

If a state is to be secular, it has limit the extent to which religious insignia can be openely displayed in state institutions, especially when this is done in a provocative manner that is intended to undermine the very secular nature of the state.

France, in common with Turkey, is a country in which secularism is enshrined in the constitution. I take it nobody here considers France to be "backward", a "fourth world country" or a "fascist state" that requires another 400 years to even become semi-human. Yet, in 2004 France introduced a law "concerning as an application of the principle of the separation of church and state the wearing of symbols or garb which show religious affiliation in public shcools". The main consequence of this law was that it set the French state against certain French Muslims who wished their girls to wear the hijab to school.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/hijab.html

In other words, this is a universal problem that confronts any state in which religion is removed from the public sphere.

Up until 1980 there was no ban on headscarves at Turkish universities. It was the junta led by Kenan Evren which came to power in a coup on 12 September of that year which imposed this particular ban. Prior to that, this was not a political issue in Turkey. However, the ban led to the headscarf being adopted as a cause celebre by Islamists. Henceforth, the wearing of a particular kind of headscarf was turned into a political statement, and one which secularists felt obliged to resist.

I really wish Turkish secularists would give ground on this issue and concentrate on defending much more fundamental gains made under the Republic. At the same time, I can appreciate their concerns.

[pantheman]

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?

The question you should be asking, do that have permission to do this from the RoC or are they just violating our airspace again?

They are constant offenders and these are all the goodwill gestures that people keep taliokg about. And then they want to talk, My backside.

Turkey is not qualified to be in the EU or anywhere else, they are a 4th world country and need to evolve a few hundred years to modern times before they can understand International law, human rights, court judgements and any other legal mechanism you care to throw at them.

They are a danger to civil avaiation by flying without permission, what a farce.

Try stopping them, go get your resolutions they mean jack shit if you cant impose them or no one will help you impose them.

Yes, of course you don't give a shit, but thats just Turkey for you isn't it. Typical barbarians who give nowt about nowt.

As for you roschan or whatever the F your name is, RoC has the sovereignty over the whole island does she not? Therefore Turkey is violating the RoC airspace. But Why would i expect a F criminal who is supporting the illegal regime to understand that?

Join the EU you say, never, they need to evolve first into law abiding humans don't you agree?? god you make me laugh you silly little woman.

[ttoli]

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?

The question you should be asking, do that have permission to do this from the RoC or are they just violating our airspace again?

They are constant offenders and these are all the goodwill gestures that people keep taliokg about. And then they want to talk, My backside.

Turkey is not qualified to be in the EU or anywhere else, they are a 4th world country and need to evolve a few hundred years to modern times before they can understand International law, human rights, court judgements and any other legal mechanism you care to throw at them.

They are a danger to civil avaiation by flying without permission, what a farce.

Compared to Ercan, how many flights from LCA/PFO have crashed? fcukwit

[ttoli]

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?

Yep, they sure are. For a good view go to the roof top bar of the Pearl Hotel in the Harbour, Great View and Chilled wine.

[DT.]

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?

The question you should be asking, do that have permission to do this from the RoC or are they just violating our airspace again?

They are constant offenders and these are all the goodwill gestures that people keep taliokg about. And then they want to talk, My backside.

Turkey is not qualified to be in the EU or anywhere else, they are a 4th world country and need to evolve a few hundred years to modern times before they can understand International law, human rights, court judgements and any other legal mechanism you care to throw at them.

They are a danger to civil avaiation by flying without permission, what a farce.

Compared to Ercan, how many flights from LCA/PFO have crashed? fcukwit

In International Airports which handle 1000's of flights a day accidents unfortunately will happen. The question is not how many flights crashed out of an unrecognised airport that handles a couple of flights a day to turkey but the danger they pose on transit flights listening to conflicting control tower info from an unrecognised entity.

[DT.]

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?

Yep, they sure are. For a good view go to the roof top bar of the Pearl Hotel in the Harbour, Great View and Chilled wine.

Enjoy and celebrate the day 200,000 people became refugees and got kicked out of their land. You do the celebrting and we'll do the remembering.

[EPSILON]

The Greek Cypriots claim that the Cyprus problem was caused by the landing of Turkish troops in 1974 and that if only they would withdraw, the problem would be solved. This is a serious misconception, for the modern Cyprus question began in 1960 and the landing of Turkish troops was the consequence, not the cause, of the problem.
The Greek Cypriot journalist Aleccos Constantinides, writing in Alithia on 14.12.85 said that Greek Cypriot political parties "are acting as if the Cyprus problem began and ended in 1974. They refrain from talking about the previous coups. The first coup was not in 1974, but only a few years after we had attained our independence in 1960. Had it not been for the first coup there would not have been the 1974 coup." Moreover, there were two military actions in 1974; the first was by Greece on 15th July, which caused the second by Turkey on 20th July.

Mistake A-Cyprus problem (at least the modern one) started on the night of May 1956 when British started to use heavily T/cs policemen against the fighters of EOKA.

Mistake B. -The real base of Cyprus problem was the British insistance to deny the human rights (avtodiathesis) to the majority of citizens of Cyprus (G/cs).

All we can see today as Cyprus problem are results of above two points.

Victims G/cs and T/cs , lost their lifes just because of the above two points.

EOKA B, TMT, INVASION, All are results of above two points.