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ANNIVERSARY OF TURKISH INTERVENTION - 20TH JULY

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Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:05 am

roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.

Not when it comes to Cyprus or its own 20% minority of Kurds.
Yes Turkey MUST join the EU , it will be good for the region and good for Cyprus , firstly though there are a few prerequisites that she has to adopt .
One of them is to recognise , just as the entire universe does , the ROC.
How come you are so conversant with Turkeys position as being forward thinking ( a month deliberating the wearing of scarves ) and forward moving country """( The wife of the ruling AK Party, Abdullah Gul, wears a headscarf - one of the most potent symbols of Islam ).!!! Once again you are making presumptions based entirely on you minuscule amount of knowledge of this region.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:07 am

roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is this a joke or what?...
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:13 am

boomerang wrote:
roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is this a joke or what?...


She means as part of the eurasian tectonic plate.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:15 am

It will be interesting to see if, with the forthcoming talks, the military celebrations are toned down this year so as not offend the Greek Cypriots. It could be a good indication of whether or not Turkey is sincere in its support of a settlement.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:19 am

miltiades wrote:
roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.

Not when it comes to Cyprus or its own 20% minority of Kurds.
Yes Turkey MUST join the EU , it will be good for the region and good for Cyprus , firstly though there are a few prerequisites that she has to adopt .
One of them is to recognise , just as the entire universe does , the ROC.
How come you are so conversant with Turkeys position as being forward thinking ( a month deliberating the wearing of scarves ) and forward moving country """( The wife of the ruling AK Party, Abdullah Gul, wears a headscarf - one of the most potent symbols of Islam ).!!! Once again you are making presumptions based entirely on you minuscule amount of knowledge of this region.


If you believe in democracy then surely she should be able to wear what she wants, that is not the real issue the real issue is what the headscraf stands for and the infiltration of religion into politics, there lays the real problem and why there is so much fuss going on in Turkey right now.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:25 am

Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:
roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.

Not when it comes to Cyprus or its own 20% minority of Kurds.
Yes Turkey MUST join the EU , it will be good for the region and good for Cyprus , firstly though there are a few prerequisites that she has to adopt .
One of them is to recognise , just as the entire universe does , the ROC.
How come you are so conversant with Turkeys position as being forward thinking ( a month deliberating the wearing of scarves ) and forward moving country """( The wife of the ruling AK Party, Abdullah Gul, wears a headscarf - one of the most potent symbols of Islam ).!!! Once again you are making presumptions based entirely on you minuscule amount of knowledge of this region.


If you believe in democracy then surely she should be able to wear what she wants, that is not the real issue the real issue is what the headscraf stands for and the infiltration of religion into politics, there lays the real problem and why there is so much fuss going on in Turkey right now.


Ladies and gentlemen may I introduce to you

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So one rule for the priveledge and one for the peasants...right?
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:31 am

Agios Ionas wrote:
soyer wrote:On 15th August 1996 The Daily Telegraph wrote "Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws."


OMG! Welcome to the 21st century already!

1963 was 45 years ago. 1974 was 34 years ago. 1996 was 12 years ago.

It's 2008 now. Wakey pakey... RoC is in the EU and has been for 4 years. You would too if you only saw the light. Reunification is the only solution. Cyprus is Cyprus. It's not Turkey nor is it Greece. And TRNC is just a figment of your own and Turkey's imagination.

There will be no renewal of persecution for the love of God. If there is random acts of violence it will be by a few hardcore extremists... from both sides. Ordinary people wants peace and stability in Cyprus.

What are you afraid of? Do you really think the GC's wants to f*ck up what they have built up in 34 years? Do you really think the EU would allow either community to f*ck up things if the island is reunited again? A reunited Cyprus in the EU would be as stable and safe as any other EU country is.

Sure, there could very well be violence between different groups of people as there is in any country. But it would be the actions of a few criminally insane extremists. In some countries there are fascist nationalists (neo nazis), leftist extremists and there are gangs of immigrants (muslim brotherhoods etc) as well. They're minorities in their ethnic communities and has no support from the common man/woman. These groups clash and there is violence. But their actions is being dealt with swiftly by the authorities. Any Greek or Turk fascists trying to undermine an established peace by causing trouble and violence only to destroy a future reunited Cyprus would also be dealt with swiftly by the authorities in a reunited Cyprus, a full member of the EU.

You are afraid of being a TC (minority) living in a Cyprus ruled by a GC (majority) administration, right? A GC administration have nothing to win but everything to lose by rounding up TC's and shoot them. Because I think that's what you think will happen. Do you? Are you really so daft that you think this would happen in EU in the year 2008? It won't. Bury your paranoid fears and get real ffs. In a reunited Cyprus there will be room for TC politicians as well. There will be room for any Cypriot politician working for Cyprus and Cypriots no matter what ethnic or religious background they have.

What can happen then? Well, I think there will be some discrimination to begin with. Some GC's will discriminate TC's and vice versa. This is an effect of +34 years of fear and suspicion. I also believe there has been some brainwashing going on on both sides. But judging from posts from people like yourself it sure seems like most of the brainwashing has been done in Rauf Denktaş's pseudo state where Cypriot identity was being erased and people were being turned into Turks.

Anyway, discrimination will be dealt with. A reunited Cyprus would mean that the whole of Cyprus would be a full fledged member of the EU remember? With that membership comes responsibilities. Discrimination exists everywhere. But in the modern world, like countries in the EU, when there is discrimination going on, it's being dealt with. This is the difference between the EU and Turkey. That's why Turkey does not belong in the EU (yet).

You should think of yourself as a Cypriot rather than a Turk because that's what you really are (or at least should be). A muslim Cypriot of Turkish origin perhaps, but still first and foremost a Cypriot. Bury those Kemalist expansionist thoughts of yours together with your irrational fears. Or else you will remain a Turk and nothing but a Turk. You will then watch your Cypriot brethren and sisters enjoy prosperity within the EU while you keep dreaming about a better future.



Not an unreasonable post from Agios Ionas. I hope we can be neighbours. :lol:
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:32 am

i have both turkish and kurdish friends from the uk, cyprus and turkey. i talk to them about many issues so maybe i have a little more insight than you give me credit for. i believe that if mrs gul wants to walk around in a head scarf or a bikini thats her choice. in a democracy you do have a choice. i have headscarf wearing friends in london, i don't have any issues with it. i am sure with the e.u membership will be conditions for turkey to recognise all countries. as for the kurdish people, many of my kurdish friends would tell you that not all people claiming to be kurdish/turkish are. many cross from iraq and claim to be kurdish/turkish, thats where the problem is.
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:38 am

Jerry wrote:It will be interesting to see if, with the forthcoming talks, the military celebrations are toned down this year so as not offend the Greek Cypriots. It could be a good indication of whether or not Turkey is sincere in its support of a settlement.


I don't think so. Erdogan will be visiting to watch his troops parade.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:
roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.

Not when it comes to Cyprus or its own 20% minority of Kurds.
Yes Turkey MUST join the EU , it will be good for the region and good for Cyprus , firstly though there are a few prerequisites that she has to adopt .
One of them is to recognise , just as the entire universe does , the ROC.
How come you are so conversant with Turkeys position as being forward thinking ( a month deliberating the wearing of scarves ) and forward moving country """( The wife of the ruling AK Party, Abdullah Gul, wears a headscarf - one of the most potent symbols of Islam ).!!! Once again you are making presumptions based entirely on you minuscule amount of knowledge of this region.


If you believe in democracy then surely she should be able to wear what she wants, that is not the real issue the real issue is what the headscraf stands for and the infiltration of religion into politics, there lays the real problem and why there is so much fuss going on in Turkey right now.


I'm really confused with all this scarf issue. The government is not demanding that every women should wear them, and neither is the constitutional prosecutor is demanding that head scarf must be banned altogether in Turkey. Now, how is it the headscarf becomes a matter of religion and a state issue if they are worn in Universities. Are the Universities considered to be part of the state or what, and if so, why is the state in charge of all the Imams of all the mosques. There seems to be a lot of contradictions here if Turkey wants to keep state and religion separate, or is it just politics and has nothing to do with the headscarves per se, but only an excuse to commit a non military coup by the ruling elites.

Without True Democracy, you get "Animal Farm".!!!
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