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ANNIVERSARY OF TURKISH INTERVENTION - 20TH JULY

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:19 am

soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Well even the title of the OP is misleading, it should refer to something like ....

BARBARIC TURKISH INVASION

...which is what the Free World knows is the fact of the matter.


Everyone who wishes Cyprus well prefers to look to the future but some commentators will readily use the events of 1974 to argue that the present state of affairs is unacceptable. They do not, however, go back before 20th July 1974, and refusal to consider the preceding 15 years means that important legal and political issues wrongly determined in favour of the Greek Cypriots remain undisturbed and remain a continuing source of tension between the former partners.



On 15th August 1996 The Daily Telegraph wrote "Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws. Almost nowhere in the world is there a lasting peace that is not based on people's rights to govern themselves."


Soyer can't seem to get beyond Copying and Pasting to present curious versions of history. He/she would do well not to do so from the mouthpiece of the GB Establishment that is the Dolly Tolograph. :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:48 am

bill cobbett wrote:
soyer wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Well even the title of the OP is misleading, it should refer to something like ....

BARBARIC TURKISH INVASION

...which is what the Free World knows is the fact of the matter.


Everyone who wishes Cyprus well prefers to look to the future but some commentators will readily use the events of 1974 to argue that the present state of affairs is unacceptable. They do not, however, go back before 20th July 1974, and refusal to consider the preceding 15 years means that important legal and political issues wrongly determined in favour of the Greek Cypriots remain undisturbed and remain a continuing source of tension between the former partners.



On 15th August 1996 The Daily Telegraph wrote "Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws. Almost nowhere in the world is there a lasting peace that is not based on people's rights to govern themselves."


Soyer can't seem to get beyond Copying and Pasting to present curious versions of history. He/she would do well not to do so from the mouthpiece of the GB Establishment that is the Dolly Tolograph. :lol:


BC there is a logical explanation for his behaviour....he is a a wannabe turk, a cut&paste of other people... :lol:
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:25 am

are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:20 am

roseandchan wrote:are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?


Hope one burns and crashes down on Denktash's island. You might even hear some festivities on this dark anniversary from our side as well then.
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Postby pantheman » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:30 am

roseandchan wrote:are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?


The question you should be asking, do that have permission to do this from the RoC or are they just violating our airspace again?

They are constant offenders and these are all the goodwill gestures that people keep taliokg about. And then they want to talk, My backside.

Turkey is not qualified to be in the EU or anywhere else, they are a 4th world country and need to evolve a few hundred years to modern times before they can understand International law, human rights, court judgements and any other legal mechanism you care to throw at them.

They are a danger to civil avaiation by flying without permission, what a farce.
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Postby Agios Ionas » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:50 am

soyer wrote:On 15th August 1996 The Daily Telegraph wrote "Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws."


OMG! Welcome to the 21st century already!

1963 was 45 years ago. 1974 was 34 years ago. 1996 was 12 years ago.

It's 2008 now. Wakey pakey... RoC is in the EU and has been for 4 years. You would too if you only saw the light. Reunification is the only solution. Cyprus is Cyprus. It's not Turkey nor is it Greece. And TRNC is just a figment of your own and Turkey's imagination.

There will be no renewal of persecution for the love of God. If there is random acts of violence it will be by a few hardcore extremists... from both sides. Ordinary people wants peace and stability in Cyprus.

What are you afraid of? Do you really think the GC's wants to f*ck up what they have built up in 34 years? Do you really think the EU would allow either community to f*ck up things if the island is reunited again? A reunited Cyprus in the EU would be as stable and safe as any other EU country is.

Sure, there could very well be violence between different groups of people as there is in any country. But it would be the actions of a few criminally insane extremists. In some countries there are fascist nationalists (neo nazis), leftist extremists and there are gangs of immigrants (muslim brotherhoods etc) as well. They're minorities in their ethnic communities and has no support from the common man/woman. These groups clash and there is violence. But their actions is being dealt with swiftly by the authorities. Any Greek or Turk fascists trying to undermine an established peace by causing trouble and violence only to destroy a future reunited Cyprus would also be dealt with swiftly by the authorities in a reunited Cyprus, a full member of the EU.

You are afraid of being a TC (minority) living in a Cyprus ruled by a GC (majority) administration, right? A GC administration have nothing to win but everything to lose by rounding up TC's and shoot them. Because I think that's what you think will happen. Do you? Are you really so daft that you think this would happen in EU in the year 2008? It won't. Bury your paranoid fears and get real ffs. In a reunited Cyprus there will be room for TC politicians as well. There will be room for any Cypriot politician working for Cyprus and Cypriots no matter what ethnic or religious background they have.

What can happen then? Well, I think there will be some discrimination to begin with. Some GC's will discriminate TC's and vice versa. This is an effect of +34 years of fear and suspicion. I also believe there has been some brainwashing going on on both sides. But judging from posts from people like yourself it sure seems like most of the brainwashing has been done in Rauf Denktaş's pseudo state where Cypriot identity was being erased and people were being turned into Turks.

Anyway, discrimination will be dealt with. A reunited Cyprus would mean that the whole of Cyprus would be a full fledged member of the EU remember? With that membership comes responsibilities. Discrimination exists everywhere. But in the modern world, like countries in the EU, when there is discrimination going on, it's being dealt with. This is the difference between the EU and Turkey. That's why Turkey does not belong in the EU (yet).

You should think of yourself as a Cypriot rather than a Turk because that's what you really are (or at least should be). A muslim Cypriot of Turkish origin perhaps, but still first and foremost a Cypriot. Bury those Kemalist expansionist thoughts of yours together with your irrational fears. Or else you will remain a Turk and nothing but a Turk. You will then watch your Cypriot brethren and sisters enjoy prosperity within the EU while you keep dreaming about a better future.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:50 am

pantheman wrote:
roseandchan wrote:are the turkish airforce doing their red arrows show again in girne?


The question you should be asking, do that have permission to do this from the RoC or are they just violating our airspace again?

They are constant offenders and these are all the goodwill gestures that people keep taliokg about. And then they want to talk, My backside.

Turkey is not qualified to be in the EU or anywhere else, they are a 4th world country and need to evolve a few hundred years to modern times before they can understand International law, human rights, court judgements and any other legal mechanism you care to throw at them.

They are a danger to civil avaiation by flying without permission, what a farce.


Try stopping them, go get your resolutions they mean jack shit if you cant impose them or no one will help you impose them.
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:52 am

i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:56 am

roseandchan wrote:i saw them last year and i disagree. why would it be only your airspace?they don't need your permission. turkey is a forward thinking and forward moving country, it will join the e.u.


DO you know many countries that hold millitary exercies in the FIR of a sovereign nation without giving a shit?

turkey.

P.S changed my mind, hope they all crash and burn into Denktash's house.
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:04 am

how could any decent person wish for anyone to crash and burn? shame on you .
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