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[DT.]

When will somebody have the guts to stage a similar protest outside the Turkish embassy in Nicosia?

Turkey and Cyprus have cut off diplomatic ties. There is no Turkish embassy.

Wrong. It is in the north of Nicosia just a stones throw away from the Ledra Palace crossing.

em·bas·sy Audio Help /ˈɛmbəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-buh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -sies.
1. a body of persons entrusted with a mission to a sovereign or government, esp. an ambassador and his or her staff.
2. the official headquarters of an ambassador.
3. the function or office of an ambassador.
4. a mission headed by an ambassador.

Wrong. There is neither a sovereign nor a government in north Nicosia. It is currently under occupation by the Turkish army.

OK. It's a pseudo embassy, then. My point stands that it would be a far more effective place to stage a demonstration if anybody has the guts to do it.

Why demonstrate in front of an illegal institution thereby giving it the legitimacy it seeks?

Good point. So stage protests in front of Turkish military facilities instead. There are plenty to choose from.

No problem there Tim. I (like many other Cypriots) have been demonstrating in front of Turkish troops since the age of 15. The students from the English School (along with all other Greek schools) would annually demonstrate at Ledra Palace on the anniversaries of both invasions. My wife (not my wife then) mother in law and mother were also present in the demonstrations organised by the women associations. One of which had peacefully reclaimed the church in Achna. The result was a few tens of women being dragged by Turkish troops into jail in the north.

My wife was 15 at the time, she had long blond hair and can remember being dragged by her hair by a TC policeman to be thrown into the van. If it wasn't for a dear old friend of her mother's that volunteered to be taken in her place she would have spent time in a Turkish jail before her father had even visited it 20 years later.

We were no strangers to demonstrating in front of Turkish troops so save us from the sarcasm. The opening of the green line I'll admit has altered things somehow and demonstrating now against the occupation would be treated by the likes of Bananiot as a neo-nazi riot.

[soyer]

When will somebody have the guts to stage a similar protest outside the Turkish embassy in Nicosia?

Turkey and Cyprus have cut off diplomatic ties. There is no Turkish embassy.

Wrong. It is in the north of Nicosia just a stones throw away from the Ledra Palace crossing.

em·bas·sy Audio Help /ˈɛmbəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-buh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -sies.
1. a body of persons entrusted with a mission to a sovereign or government, esp. an ambassador and his or her staff.
2. the official headquarters of an ambassador.
3. the function or office of an ambassador.
4. a mission headed by an ambassador.

Wrong. There is neither a sovereign nor a government in north Nicosia. It is currently under occupation by the Turkish army.

OK. It's a pseudo embassy, then. My point stands that it would be a far more effective place to stage a demonstration if anybody has the guts to do it.

Why demonstrate in front of an illegal institution thereby giving it the legitimacy it seeks?

Good point. So stage protests in front of Turkish military facilities instead. There are plenty to choose from.

Tim do you have any idea what that means?

A lot of Cypriots not only had "protests" with these troops, but not so long ago and fresh in the memory of a lot .. was the fact they were up against them in a war!

So you are asking a lot of people that are still traumatised from a war to face their armed aggressors once again ... but unarmed themselves and pleading for them to go away ... when they killed and raped their way to the island just 3 decades ago!

Sir Anthony Kershaw MP explained the situation as follows in his speech:
"In order to protect the Turkish Cypriots, Turkey intervened in exercise of her rights under article 4 of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee. No one has ever suggested that was illegal but they have gone on to say that the continuing use of troops, not to restore the 1960 Constitution but to enforce partition was illegal.
But does this not ignore the reality of the situation? In law it is said that the Turks were invoking the Guarantee; but to say that they were obliged to work for no result except the restoration of the 1960 Constitution is absurd. That Constitution had ceased to exist. The reconciliation of the law with the actual political situation, or indeed with ordinary common sense, was becoming more difficult. The Turks came to protect the lives of the Turkish Cypriots and they had good reason to know that the restoration of the 1960 Constitution was not the way to do that. The only way to do that was with troops on the ground."

[Tim Drayton]

When will somebody have the guts to stage a similar protest outside the Turkish embassy in Nicosia?

Turkey and Cyprus have cut off diplomatic ties. There is no Turkish embassy.

Wrong. It is in the north of Nicosia just a stones throw away from the Ledra Palace crossing.

em·bas·sy Audio Help /ˈɛmbəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-buh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -sies.
1. a body of persons entrusted with a mission to a sovereign or government, esp. an ambassador and his or her staff.
2. the official headquarters of an ambassador.
3. the function or office of an ambassador.
4. a mission headed by an ambassador.

Wrong. There is neither a sovereign nor a government in north Nicosia. It is currently under occupation by the Turkish army.

OK. It's a pseudo embassy, then. My point stands that it would be a far more effective place to stage a demonstration if anybody has the guts to do it.

Why demonstrate in front of an illegal institution thereby giving it the legitimacy it seeks?

Good point. So stage protests in front of Turkish military facilities instead. There are plenty to choose from.

No problem there Tim. I (like many other Cypriots) have been demonstrating in front of Turkish troops since the age of 15. The students from the English School (along with all other Greek schools) would annually demonstrate at Ledra Palace on the anniversaries of both invasions. My wife (not my wife then) mother in law and mother were also present in the demonstrations organised by the women associations. One of which had peacefully reclaimed the church in Achna. The result was a few tens of women being dragged by Turkish troops into jail in the north.

My wife was 15 at the time, she had long blond hair and can remember being dragged by her hair by a TC policeman to be thrown into the van. If it wasn't for a dear old friend of her mother's that volunteered to be taken in her place she would have spent time in a Turkish jail before her father had even visited it 20 years later.

We were no strangers to demonstrating in front of Turkish troops so save us from the sarcasm. The opening of the green line I'll admit has altered things somehow and demonstrating now against the occupation would be treated by the likes of Bananiot as a neo-nazi riot.

I am not being sarcastic. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for people who have the guts to take part in a demonstration of the kind you describe.

[DT.]

When will somebody have the guts to stage a similar protest outside the Turkish embassy in Nicosia?

Turkey and Cyprus have cut off diplomatic ties. There is no Turkish embassy.

Wrong. It is in the north of Nicosia just a stones throw away from the Ledra Palace crossing.

em·bas·sy Audio Help /ˈɛmbəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-buh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -sies.
1. a body of persons entrusted with a mission to a sovereign or government, esp. an ambassador and his or her staff.
2. the official headquarters of an ambassador.
3. the function or office of an ambassador.
4. a mission headed by an ambassador.

Wrong. There is neither a sovereign nor a government in north Nicosia. It is currently under occupation by the Turkish army.

OK. It's a pseudo embassy, then. My point stands that it would be a far more effective place to stage a demonstration if anybody has the guts to do it.

Why demonstrate in front of an illegal institution thereby giving it the legitimacy it seeks?

Good point. So stage protests in front of Turkish military facilities instead. There are plenty to choose from.

No problem there Tim. I (like many other Cypriots) have been demonstrating in front of Turkish troops since the age of 15. The students from the English School (along with all other Greek schools) would annually demonstrate at Ledra Palace on the anniversaries of both invasions. My wife (not my wife then) mother in law and mother were also present in the demonstrations organised by the women associations. One of which had peacefully reclaimed the church in Achna. The result was a few tens of women being dragged by Turkish troops into jail in the north.

My wife was 15 at the time, she had long blond hair and can remember being dragged by her hair by a TC policeman to be thrown into the van. If it wasn't for a dear old friend of her mother's that volunteered to be taken in her place she would have spent time in a Turkish jail before her father had even visited it 20 years later.

We were no strangers to demonstrating in front of Turkish troops so save us from the sarcasm. The opening of the green line I'll admit has altered things somehow and demonstrating now against the occupation would be treated by the likes of Bananiot as a neo-nazi riot.

I am not being sarcastic. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for people who have the guts to take part in a demonstration of the kind you describe.

Apologies for the rash assumption then.

[soyer]

Even Greek Cypriots sought Turkey's help. In her memoirs, Greek Cypriot MP Rina Katsellis, says "16th July 1974 Is Makarios alive? Is he dead? The Makarios supporters arrested, the EOKA-B supporters freed... I did not shed a tear, why should I? Did the stupidity and fanaticism deserve a tear? There are some who beg Turkey to intervene. They prefer the intervention of Turkey." 18th July 1974 "My God!...Everyone is frozen with fear..the old man who asked for the body of his son was shot on the spot.. The tortures and executions at the central prison ... everyone is frozen with horror. Nothing is sacred to these people, and they call themselves Greeks! ... we must not keep that name any longer."

[DT.]

Even Greek Cypriots sought Turkey's help. In her memoirs, Greek Cypriot MP Rina Katsellis, says "16th July 1974 Is Makarios alive? Is he dead? The Makarios supporters arrested, the EOKA-B supporters freed... I did not shed a tear, why should I? Did the stupidity and fanaticism deserve a tear? There are some who beg Turkey to intervene. They prefer the intervention of Turkey." 18th July 1974 "My God!...Everyone is frozen with fear..the old man who asked for the body of his son was shot on the spot.. The tortures and executions at the central prison ... everyone is frozen with horror. Nothing is sacred to these people, and they call themselves Greeks! ... we must not keep that name any longer."

DO you mind if you can provide us with a link to where you found these famous memoirs of Rena Katselli? I'm very interested in reading them.

[soyer]

Even Greek Cypriots sought Turkey's help. In her memoirs, Greek Cypriot MP Rina Katsellis, says "16th July 1974 Is Makarios alive? Is he dead? The Makarios supporters arrested, the EOKA-B supporters freed... I did not shed a tear, why should I? Did the stupidity and fanaticism deserve a tear? There are some who beg Turkey to intervene. They prefer the intervention of Turkey." 18th July 1974 "My God!...Everyone is frozen with fear..the old man who asked for the body of his son was shot on the spot.. The tortures and executions at the central prison ... everyone is frozen with horror. Nothing is sacred to these people, and they call themselves Greeks! ... we must not keep that name any longer."

DO you mind if you can provide us with a link to where you found these famous memoirs of Rena Katselli? I'm very interested in reading them.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Greek%20 ... 201974.htm

[boomerang]

Even Greek Cypriots sought Turkey's help. In her memoirs, Greek Cypriot MP Rina Katsellis, says "16th July 1974 Is Makarios alive? Is he dead? The Makarios supporters arrested, the EOKA-B supporters freed... I did not shed a tear, why should I? Did the stupidity and fanaticism deserve a tear? There are some who beg Turkey to intervene. They prefer the intervention of Turkey." 18th July 1974 "My God!...Everyone is frozen with fear..the old man who asked for the body of his son was shot on the spot.. The tortures and executions at the central prison ... everyone is frozen with horror. Nothing is sacred to these people, and they call themselves Greeks! ... we must not keep that name any longer."

Hey soyer, intervention is one thing and an invasion is another...show me where it is written that "turkey=fascist state" had the right to ethnically cleanse people and declare a state...and import turks on top of that...

Actually don't bother...you are the one with no balls...

Kikapu is still waiting for his answer...

[denizaksulu]

Hello brothers and sisters please join the Protest of Turkish Embassy in Washington DC this July 20th, if you live near New York , there are free buses departing from Astoria to Washington DC,

please RSVP for a seat and for seats for your guests by calling Dionysios Pilarinos, the NY coordinator for the buses, at (917) 371-0214, buses are scheduled to depart from NY early on the morning of Sunday , July 20th 2008 from:

Federation of Hellenic Societies
STATHAKION CENTER
22-51 29th Street
Astoria, NY
Call Dionysios at Tel (917) 371-0214, to RSVP your free seats.




WE CANNOT FORGET! WE WILL NOT FORGET!

URGENT: Protest Turkish Embassy: Hands Off Cyprus 2008!
Contact: Nikolaos Taneris, New York, Tel. 1-917-699-9935

WHERE: Turkish Embassy 2525 Massachusetts Ave., NW, Washington, DC
WHEN: July 20, 2008, Sunday, 2PM-5PM


The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating outside the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC to demand an end to the ongoing criminal Turkish military-occupation or land grab of Cyprus initiated by the Turkish government by sheer, brute military-invasion on July 20, 1974. Hundreds of thousands of Cypriots remain refugees following Turkey’s systematic campaign of rapes, terror, bombings, burnings and forced displacement. Over one thousand missing Cypriots, reportedly used for barbaric scientific experiments by the Turks, remain unaccounted.


Turkey is an unrepentant human-rights-abuser and perpetrator of Genocide Against Pontians and Armenians, and today continues its genocidal policies by targeting Cypriot land in a methodical program of ‘Turkification’ by illegal Turkish settlers.


Join us on July 20th outside the Turkish Embassy to remind them that even one foreign soldier of occupation in Cyprus is tens of thousands of times too many. Come to Washington DC to reaffirm a commitment for full justice and recognition for Turkey’s Crimes.


WE CANNOT FORGET! WE WILL NOT FORGET!


Our action is open to any and all who believe the time has come to draw public attention to the evil of the continuing Turkish crimes.


Get involved! Get on the bus to Protest the Turkish Embassy, please visit our homepage (www.cyprusactionnetwork.org) to purchase tickets, to download our color Protest Turkish Embassy protest poster, and to contribute.




========================
Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA)
2578 Broadway #132
New York, NY 10025
New York: Tel. 917-699-9935
Email: [email protected]
www.cyprusactionnetwork.org
========================

The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) is a grass-roots, not-for-profit movement created to support genuine self-determination and human rights for the people of Cyprus.


To be added to CANA's Action Alert e-mail distribution list, or to introduce CANA to a
Friend or colleague, please forward the pertinent name and e-mail address, with the subject heading "Add e-mail to CANA distribution list", to
[email protected]


You are encouraged to forward this action alert to five or more individuals who may have an interest in our e-distributions or in CANA’s mission.

While you are at it, why not ask for ISTANBUL back.

[boomerang]

Hello brothers and sisters please join the Protest of Turkish Embassy in Washington DC this July 20th, if you live near New York , there are free buses departing from Astoria to Washington DC,

please RSVP for a seat and for seats for your guests by calling Dionysios Pilarinos, the NY coordinator for the buses, at (917) 371-0214, buses are scheduled to depart from NY early on the morning of Sunday , July 20th 2008 from:

Federation of Hellenic Societies
STATHAKION CENTER
22-51 29th Street
Astoria, NY
Call Dionysios at Tel (917) 371-0214, to RSVP your free seats.




WE CANNOT FORGET! WE WILL NOT FORGET!

URGENT: Protest Turkish Embassy: Hands Off Cyprus 2008!
Contact: Nikolaos Taneris, New York, Tel. 1-917-699-9935

WHERE: Turkish Embassy 2525 Massachusetts Ave., NW, Washington, DC
WHEN: July 20, 2008, Sunday, 2PM-5PM


The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) will be demonstrating outside the Turkish Embassy in Washington DC to demand an end to the ongoing criminal Turkish military-occupation or land grab of Cyprus initiated by the Turkish government by sheer, brute military-invasion on July 20, 1974. Hundreds of thousands of Cypriots remain refugees following Turkey’s systematic campaign of rapes, terror, bombings, burnings and forced displacement. Over one thousand missing Cypriots, reportedly used for barbaric scientific experiments by the Turks, remain unaccounted.


Turkey is an unrepentant human-rights-abuser and perpetrator of Genocide Against Pontians and Armenians, and today continues its genocidal policies by targeting Cypriot land in a methodical program of ‘Turkification’ by illegal Turkish settlers.


Join us on July 20th outside the Turkish Embassy to remind them that even one foreign soldier of occupation in Cyprus is tens of thousands of times too many. Come to Washington DC to reaffirm a commitment for full justice and recognition for Turkey’s Crimes.


WE CANNOT FORGET! WE WILL NOT FORGET!


Our action is open to any and all who believe the time has come to draw public attention to the evil of the continuing Turkish crimes.


Get involved! Get on the bus to Protest the Turkish Embassy, please visit our homepage (www.cyprusactionnetwork.org) to purchase tickets, to download our color Protest Turkish Embassy protest poster, and to contribute.




========================
Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA)
2578 Broadway #132
New York, NY 10025
New York: Tel. 917-699-9935
Email: [email protected]
www.cyprusactionnetwork.org
========================

The Cyprus Action Network of America (CANA) is a grass-roots, not-for-profit movement created to support genuine self-determination and human rights for the people of Cyprus.


To be added to CANA's Action Alert e-mail distribution list, or to introduce CANA to a
Friend or colleague, please forward the pertinent name and e-mail address, with the subject heading "Add e-mail to CANA distribution list", to
[email protected]


You are encouraged to forward this action alert to five or more individuals who may have an interest in our e-distributions or in CANA’s mission.

While you are at it, why not ask for ISTANBUL back.

Actually Deniz, the best thing turkey can do is give it back and watch how quickly Greece becomes turkyfied...

Somehow I think the Greeks will decline the offer...