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[MicAtCyp]

but as you can see not one GC other than Alexandros responded with a human like approach, thats what sicked by the GCs calculated and cold response i called them animals and withdrew my apology which they do not want or deserve.

This is a discussion forum. When we don't understand something we ask. So you COULD ask for the reasons. Not jump into conclussions and start calling people ANIMALS

[erolz]

It is not just that GC persued a Greek nationalist ideal that simply sought to marginalise the TC community before 1960........(etc)

There is nothing new here. You talk about GC Natonalist ideals being pursued when the TCs walked out of the RoC and when a TC separatist administration was installed in place. You talk about TC refugees when you are well aware that thousands of them were moved into enclaves upon Ankara's orders while many others were never allowed to return to their homes. And all this despite the fact that many other TCs never became refugees and continued to live in areas outside the Turkish set enclaves. And of course nothing about GC suffering before or after 1960. As usual u remember selectively only part of the story. Nothing about GC anguish and nothing about GC refugees. 100% one sided and totally biased!

O.

I have accepted that TC and TC adminatration played a (negative) role in the events of 63-74. I have accpeted the pain and suffering of GC in 74 ownards at the hands of Turkey and TC. I have appologied publicaly for the pain and suffering caused to GC by TC as far as I have any right to do so. Have you or can you do the same?

What I have refuted and conintue to refute is that GC and GC leadership did not play the larger part in the troubles in Cyprus in the period 63-74. That it was not the case the overall in the period 63-74 it was TC community that were by and large the 'victims' and GCX community that were by and large the 'perptrators'. That they did not persue divisive Greek nationlist agendas in cyprus after 1960 for all of Cyprus and all Cypriots, wheather they wanted it or not. That any 'bad' actions on the part of GCwas due to a few 'extremists'. Bascially what I refute is a pervsion of the history of Cyprus in the period 63-74. I refute all of this, as always, reactivly to GC accounts of this period, never proactively.

GC community and adnministration have a responsibility for the mess that is Cyprus today. Not just a minority of extremists but the whole community - of those times and currently as far as they continue to seek to 'whitewash' the responsbility of those in the period. Accept this and we can make progress at putting this behind us. Deny it or seek to marginalise it and can see no way we can move forward. That is how I see things.

I would welcome an impartial truth and reconcillation comittee to cover Cyprus' history as an independent nation. I would welcome a end to both sides propaganda based versions of History. I would welcome the writting of a balanced and impartial history of Cyprus as a independent nation, that is agreed and agreeable to both sides and used as a common refernce for both (and the closest we have currently is the cyprus confilct - which I accept as such both good and bad from the TC persepctive). Can you and would you do the same, or do you want to continue to insist that it YOUR version that is true and all others are 'propaganda'?

[Piratis]

And my uncle is dead today.

Erolz, we are sorry about your uncle. But your point is?

Do you want to count how many dead we have "today" by the Turks? The amount is going to be 100 times more than the amount of TCs killed by GCs.

Therefore any way that you see it, yes we accept most of the blame for a specific period (less than 20 years), but you have most of the blame for the rest of history since Turks appeared on this island, both before and after the period for which the GCs were the "bad guys". I accept our part of blame, will you now accept your part?

[X]

I would also like to apologise for all the wrong-doings certain members of my community did in the past.

I am a Cypriot who looks forward to a bright future without dividing lines and mistrust.


It is not going to be easy because intercommunal clushes and international interventions have created a kind of intractable, 'civilised' conflict - we need to be persistent and optimist that Cyprus can and will be a place of great things [economic, academic, social].

We can make it happen: we just need to stay united and learn as much as possible about each other's perspectives.

[erolz]

And my uncle is dead today.

Erolz, we are sorry about your uncle. But your point is?

My point is that you seem to think that TC suffering and pain and consequences of GC actions to TC ended in 74 (or earlier) and that GC suffering and pain and consequences of Turkish actions in 74 are ongoing. I simply am trying to make you realise that 'our' (TC communites) pain and suffering and consequences of GC actions did not end in 74 but they continue to day as your do.

Do you want to count how many dead we have "today" by the Turks? The amount is going to be 100 times more than the amount of TCs killed by GCs.

Well ignoring the fact that TC are not Turks - no I do not want this however the numbers add up. What I want is for you to stop saying that violations and the consequences of such and the pain of such by GC against TC are 'historic' and that T and TC against GC are current. Thats is what I want (but doubt I will get).

Therefore any way that you see it, yes we accept most of the blame for a specific period (less than 20 years),

You say this but then you also say GC community has no blame after 1960 and that rests only with a few GC extremists. We also have othellos refuting that even in this limited and selctive period carry more (let alone most) of the blame.

but you have most of the blame for the rest of history since Turks appeared on this island, both before and after the period for which the GCs were the "bad guys". I accept our part of blame, will you now accept your part?

I will accept the blame for the TC community for the part they played in events of 74 that caused and continue to cause much pain and suffering to GC. I do not accept that the TC community is to blame for what the ottomans did to GC from 1451-1900.

[Viewpoint]

brother

Only do an apology if you mean it and expect nothing in return, this is a selfless act.

brother you can continue to play the saint but I have learnt a lot from this forum, I have withdrawn my apology from the forum altogether and regret ever having posted it, they do not warrant any sort of apology and its absoulutely not necessary (as they themselves state) when doing so I questioned myself and thought maybe it would be a fresh start (for me) and I could try to understand GCs concerns and be more flexible towards unificiation, but the sickening humanless calculated response of certain members on the forum made me step out of my normal behaviour pattern and use language that I would not normally use. I only hope that those members are not a true representative the average Greek Cypriot mindset because god help us if we should ever make the mistake of agreeing to reunite and live with these people, 1960 to 1974 will in comparison be a walk in the park compared to what will await us in a united Cyprus.

[Saint Jimmy]

they do not warrant any sort of apology

Viewpoint,
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=10

So who's 'they'? First it was 'All GCs', then it was 'All GCs but Alexandros Lordos', what is it now?

If you want to make up excuses for sticking to your partition preference, be my guest. But please, try to make up valid excuses. To be perfectly honest, I find this witch-hunt of yours (searching for reasons why you shouldn't want reunification) very annoying, when you present ridiculously unfounded arguments.

The way I see it, you constantly choose to ignore all the positive views presented ('positive' according to your standards of what a GC should be saying, of course) and focus on the negative ones, to back your 'All GCs are still after us' theory.

Not cool.

[Viewpoint]

Saint Jimmy you are entitled to you viewpoint but my post above is quite clear where my priorities are, a few sincere men do not make a sincere community.

[Saint Jimmy]

Saint Jimmy you are entitled to you viewpoint but my post above is quite clear where my priorities are, a few sincere men do not make a sincere community.

Obviously not.

Equally obviously, a few insincere men don't make an insincere community.

[magikthrill]

this whole blame game thing is getting pretty ridiculous. i dont believe this was the point of the thread.