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Postby Oracle » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:22 am

CBBB wrote:I wonder if there is a WiFi hotspot outside the Cyprus High Commission in London or will conor have to ask to use their computers come the 3rd August?


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Postby cyprusgeoff » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:29 am

Keep posting everybody.

I have to pop over to Crete for a few days and I will be without my computer but keep posting.

Lets try and make this the longest running thread ever.

The longer it runs and the more people that read it the better so keep it going.
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Postby Conor » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:32 am

CBBB wrote:I wonder if there is a WiFi hotspot outside the Cyprus High Commission in London or will conor have to ask to use their computers come the 3rd August?


Hi CBBB
Its probably bad form to copy something I wrote in another forum. But I'm late and going out the door now.

Conor wrote:....there is sleeping rough and there is sleeping rough!! :)

Not only will my stand be solar powered but there will be gas cooking facilities. I will go to the local sports centre every morning to exercise and wash. No 13 St James’s Square is the Consulate, No14 is the London Library with free wireless broadband for members.
I will also have a T-Mobile wireless broadband dongle for the street and probably better communications than my house in Frenaros. The last post on this forum about my development at Ayios Sergios was that they are still waiting for their telephone lines! – That’s almost 2 years after I was to run a business from home.

It’s been 20 years since I used my sleeping bag but the only hardship I am going to suffer will be leaving my wife and daughters. I am working out ways to minimise this impact. But we as a family have very little choice.

Cheers
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:35 am

Reverse psychology huh ....

Perhaps we may see a little of the other side.

I wonder if Conor has thought of seeing his MP ... whoever he might be? :wink:
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:56 pm

Conor wrote:
CBBB wrote:I wonder if there is a WiFi hotspot outside the Cyprus High Commission in London or will conor have to ask to use their computers come the 3rd August?


Hi CBBB
Its probably bad form to copy something I wrote in another forum. But I'm late and going out the door now.

Conor wrote:....there is sleeping rough and there is sleeping rough!! :)

Not only will my stand be solar powered but there will be gas cooking facilities. I will go to the local sports centre every morning to exercise and wash. No 13 St James’s Square is the Consulate, No14 is the London Library with free wireless broadband for members.
I will also have a T-Mobile wireless broadband dongle for the street and probably better communications than my house in Frenaros. The last post on this forum about my development at Ayios Sergios was that they are still waiting for their telephone lines! – That’s almost 2 years after I was to run a business from home.

It’s been 20 years since I used my sleeping bag but the only hardship I am going to suffer will be leaving my wife and daughters. I am working out ways to minimise this impact. But we as a family have very little choice.

Cheers
Conor


Thought the High Commission was in 93 Park Street? St James Square has got 3 banks, a Regus Offices building..etc the only Cypriot thing there are the J&P offices.
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Postby CBBB » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:09 pm

I think they moved recently DT.
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Postby Feisty » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:48 pm

Magnus wrote:
Feisty wrote:
Magnus wrote:These are the actions of governments. What does Joe Public actually do when he hears of things like this? Nothing. It's the same for any case you can think of. When people lose their homes from typhoons or earthquakes, we see the disaster and feel sorry for the people, but not many of us give to a charity or go and help the victims. Again, it's not a lack of awareness, it's a lack of willpower to do anything because it's not 'our problem'.

The world knows about the Cyprus Problem. It's just that the world doesn't want to help because it has it's own problems.


You'll have to speak for yourself there Magnus. Personally I do a lot of charity work and give £100 to an African charity.
Then again I'd have to say I haven't seen much in the way of charity work in Cyprus. Perhaps I just wasn't looking.


I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't saying 'we' as in 'you or me personally'. I meant that people in general, your average person in the street, do very little if anything at all when they see all the disasters or political problems in the world. Obviously some people are different but the vast majority are too tied up with their own lives and problems.

I've been on lots of the marches and protests for the Cyprus Problem and I can tell you that the vast majority of people that were there or interested in supporting the cause were Cypriots and people related to Cypriots. Average Joe just stared, but that's fair enough, while others were more than happy to shout abuse and mock the crying mothers carrying pictures of their missing loved ones.

Again, it's not lack of awareness, it's lack of will or interest.

Conor is fortunate because he is taking his protest to the streets of England where he can get the support of the other Brits who have suffered the same. If he does a good enough job, he can even convince other Brits that all Cypriots are evil fraudsters. Emphasising the racial divide is always good for stirring up support.

Try doing that in a country where you're the foreigner, like the Cypriots protesting in the UK, and it's a totally different thing. Let's see him take his protests to the streets of Cyprus.


My personal opinion would be that if Cypriots were to protest PEACEFULLY at the Turkish embassy they would not encounter any hatred from the authorities, would bring more publicity to their cause, which I still maintain is a total mystery to a majority of people, and am sure they would not have to endure threats against them by faceless strangers on a forum.
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Postby craigbeck » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:54 pm

Conor I think you may have lost the plot a little, fueled by your anger. Personally I think you are legally in the right (from what I have read and heard) but getting increasingly insulting towards the whole nation of Cyprus is not going to help you. I work in a public serving role and let me tell you direct selling to the general public is a thankless task, despite your best efforts people complain and insult you. I am sure you are painting a very one sided view of things, your developers are big on the east coast and must have many happy clients. If they were out to profit from defrauding people on a grand scale why would they just pick on you, why not everyone who bought a house from them. I think you were a little green in assuming the buying process would be the same as in the UK, this is Cyprus and things work the Cypriot way (love it or hate it). I think you will win in the end BUT you could damage your chances with the broad sword approach.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:05 pm

craigbeck wrote:Conor I think you may have lost the plot a little, fueled by your anger. Personally I think you are legally in the right (from what I have read and heard) but getting increasingly insulting towards the whole nation of Cyprus is not going to help you. I work in a public serving role and let me tell you direct selling to the general public is a thankless task, despite your best efforts people complain and insult you. I am sure you are painting a very one sided view of things, your developers are big on the east coast and must have many happy clients. If they were out to profit from defrauding people on a grand scale why would they just pick on you, why not everyone who bought a house from them. I think you were a little green in assuming the buying process would be the same as in the UK, this is Cyprus and things work the Cypriot way (love it or hate it). I think you will win in the end BUT you could damage your chances with the broad sword approach.


Having seen a little of the other side now, I think maybe Conor may have been told his case is not as cut and dry as he may have wished to have portrayed it ...

There is an affidavit on this site that someone posted:
http://www.karayiannas.com.cy/page.php

Maybe this apparent dig at Cyprus might be a last ditch, further attempt at gaining some money perhaps through pester power IMHO .... Who knows?

But I am still waiting to hear who Conor's MP might be ....
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:05 pm

Feisty wrote:
Magnus wrote:
Feisty wrote:
Magnus wrote:These are the actions of governments. What does Joe Public actually do when he hears of things like this? Nothing. It's the same for any case you can think of. When people lose their homes from typhoons or earthquakes, we see the disaster and feel sorry for the people, but not many of us give to a charity or go and help the victims. Again, it's not a lack of awareness, it's a lack of willpower to do anything because it's not 'our problem'.

The world knows about the Cyprus Problem. It's just that the world doesn't want to help because it has it's own problems.


You'll have to speak for yourself there Magnus. Personally I do a lot of charity work and give £100 to an African charity.
Then again I'd have to say I haven't seen much in the way of charity work in Cyprus. Perhaps I just wasn't looking.


I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't saying 'we' as in 'you or me personally'. I meant that people in general, your average person in the street, do very little if anything at all when they see all the disasters or political problems in the world. Obviously some people are different but the vast majority are too tied up with their own lives and problems.

I've been on lots of the marches and protests for the Cyprus Problem and I can tell you that the vast majority of people that were there or interested in supporting the cause were Cypriots and people related to Cypriots. Average Joe just stared, but that's fair enough, while others were more than happy to shout abuse and mock the crying mothers carrying pictures of their missing loved ones.

Again, it's not lack of awareness, it's lack of will or interest.

Conor is fortunate because he is taking his protest to the streets of England where he can get the support of the other Brits who have suffered the same. If he does a good enough job, he can even convince other Brits that all Cypriots are evil fraudsters. Emphasising the racial divide is always good for stirring up support.

Try doing that in a country where you're the foreigner, like the Cypriots protesting in the UK, and it's a totally different thing. Let's see him take his protests to the streets of Cyprus.


My personal opinion would be that if Cypriots were to protest PEACEFULLY at the Turkish embassy they would not encounter any hatred from the authorities, would bring more publicity to their cause, which I still maintain is a total mystery to a majority of people, and am sure they would not have to endure threats against them by faceless strangers on a forum.


I do not believe many Cypriots can or will place themselves at the mercy of the "pseudo police" and "trnc" authorities. Nationalistic forces such as "Grey Wolves" are rampant, and will only endeavor to inflame the situation. Anything can happen from there.

Protesting in front of the Turkish Army on the right side of the green line is a different matter, as everything is under the watchful eye of the UN. You are effectively not at the illegal regimes mercy unless you cross the line.
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