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[RAFAELLA]

When did Greek side show "good will" towards Turkish Cypriots, apart from pushing them into more isolation?

Rafaella, the Turkish properties are already being misused by the people who live in them and the government who uses these properties for some other purposes. Selling them to foreigners won't be something new! Besides, if you are not satisfied with the Turkish comments, then you have no respect towards other people's views. You cannot wait someone to agree with you all the time. And you cannot wait from us start talking like a Greek Cypriot. Neither side speaks the absolute truth.

Cyprus Republic's good will towards Tcs:
Free medical care (Gcs pay for their mediacal care)
Free CyR passports (Gcs pay to have a passport issued)
Free Id cards ( Gcs pay to have an Id issued)
Etc.

Sorry Garbitsch, but the one to blame for your punishment and isolation is not CyR...BUT TURKEY! Yes, Turkey!
Tcs are TR's hostages and the Gcs are TR's victims.

If you don't accept jokes, eg. valium joke, then you better ignore them...before you start shooting .
A joke has nothing to do with respect, afterall you should blame your fellow "brother" who suggested valium to me

[metecyp]

Free CyR passports (Gcs pay to have a passport issued)
Free Id cards ( Gcs pay to have an Id issued)

FYI, passports and IDs are not free for TCs, they pay just like GCs.

[Main_Source]

When did Greek side show "good will" towards Turkish Cypriots, apart from pushing them into more isolation?

It's Turkey that has pushed the Turkish Cypriots into isolation buy putting them into an illegal regime. Dont tell me its the Turkish Cypriots who run the north of Cyprus, because we all know its run by Turkey and ultimately just a Turkish colonial military outpost. Even Denktash said this in a recent interview.

ENOSIS. Ever since we have been struggling to prevent it in order to prevent domination by Greek Cypriots, and in order to prevent Cyprus becoming a Greek island which will close Turkey to the Mediterranean. If that happens this will be 13th island around Turkish coast so Turkey has a very important strategic cause in Cyprus

Stop blaming the GC for isolation, because Turkey is still causing this conflict. Before you go on about the troubles og 63-74, I doubt whether even 1% of the GC refugees forced to abandon there houses, which were later taken by the parasites of Analtolia and bargain hunters from the UK, had anything to do with EOKA B or conflict towards TC.

..and then there was VP who was trying to make out the Orams were are 80 year old couple who were going to jail...which is crap. Well VP, how old was the old lady picking flowers from her property and spent the night in jail???

The only thing I can say to Brother is, there was at least some good will...well, I doubt the TC had to allow the GC family to use his mobile phone.

[garbitsch]

Well giving IDs and Passports is not a good will but a must! If RoC sees us as its citizens, she has to give us ID cards and Passports! And its true that we also pay for cards and passports, and as for the free health care, the Turkish Cypriots do not live and work in RoC, that's why they do not pay taxes. Besides, you are not supposed to pay tax to get free help care. Look, I am now in UK and I get benefit from free health care, at the same time I do not pay any taxes. What other good will did G.Cs show?

[Piratis]

But all of this is a symptom, not a reason. A symptom of a de facto division of the island as a result of violent intercommunal conflict.

The de facto division is the result of the illegal invasion of Turkey and the illegal occupation of 1/3rd of the Republic of Cyprus by this foreign power.

It is about time that the Turks end their occupation and ask for forgiveness like the Germans did for the World War. Did the Germans excuse their crimes by saying "oh, but you know the British and the French treated us unfairly and this excuses all the outrageous crimes we have committed"?? If they wanted, they too could have a billion of excuses to say.

What is the difference between Nazis and the Turks? None. Neither the Nazis had admitted their crimes while they were winning. But nobody can win forever. The time for justice will come for Cyprus also. We will not declare defeat as many of you expect. We will fight until justice is served.

[garbitsch]

Nazis were beaten by the winning powers and their country was occupied and divided by 5 major powers. For decades the German nation was kept divided. They are forced to appologise. There is a big difference here... If Nazis had won the war, then either UK or France would have appologised for the war....

[Piratis]

Nazis were beaten by the winning powers and their country was occupied and divided by 5 major powers. For decades the German nation was kept divided. They are forced to appologise. There is a big difference here... If Nazis had won the war, then either UK or France would have appologised for the war....

Maybe.

However the point is that while the UK and France were far from nice toward Germany, that the atrocities that the Nazis have made could not be justified at any degree.

It is like if I slap you (because in the past you kicked me) and then you shoot and kill me.

In the case of Cyprus, the invasion maybe could have been justified under the circumstances. (if the aim was to restore order) But definitely not the occupation 30 years after! This is totally inexcusable.

[MicAtCyp]

Viewpoint
here are your answers:

1st can you imagine 5 greek cypriots in your garden picking flowers and being noisy like all cypriots, thats a crowd in my book.

Yes I can imagine 5 GCs in the garden of the house I received knowing it's stolen and i would lock myself in from shame.As for seeking silence I would go to a monastery

2nd reality kicks home, theres an english lady living in a house that was formerally a GCs over 30 years ago, we all fucked up and are living this reality so dont come the high and mighty.

I wouldn’t call her a "lady" at all.Perhaps for people like yourself this is the standard of "ladylikeness. The properties to which you refer WERE, ARE, AND WILL ALWAYS BE ours. Read the ECHR decisions.The problem is that your side continues to fuck up.

3rd Go to court its your right if you win then you can all return and try and force the current occupants out, good luck.

One step at a time. Don't panic!

4th Fallen into our own trap, lots of GCs thought 1974 impossible dont underestimate anyone, the gates could be closed as swifly as they were open, overnight.

Tell that to those 10,000 TC who work at the construction sites and the 50,000 mouths they feed.Tell that to the EU tourists visiting you from Larnaca.

Dont worry we have heard a stomache full of reasons why the GCs voted no, good luck to them, maybe this has given TCs time to re-evaluate union with the south and GCs.

It's not stomach that you need.It is a head with functioning brains.Do you have it or do you not?

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FYI, passports and IDs are not free for TCs, they pay just like GCs.

Why don't you go buy them from Germany then? Is it because they are cheaper or because they will not give you.

[metecyp]

Why don't you go buy them from Germany then? Is it because they are cheaper or because they will not give you.

Your side claims to represent TCs therefore your side is obliged to give passports if TCs choose to obtain it (since I never seen a government that claims to represent some people but doesn't issue passports for those people). Now, what you're trying to do is blame TCs for getting those passports??? So you wanna keep claiming that you represent TCs but when TCs come to get their share (passports), you want to deny them? What kind of a logic is this? T-Pap must be your teacher.

[Main_Source]

Your side claims to represent TCs therefore your side is obliged to give passports if TCs choose to obtain it (since I never seen a government that claims to represent some people but doesn't issue passports for those people). Now, what you're trying to do is blame TCs for getting those passports??? So you wanna keep claiming that you represent TCs but when TCs come to get their share (passports), you want to deny them? What kind of a logic is this? T-Pap must be your teacher

Your missing the point..normol citizens of Cyprus have to pay to obtain a passport but the RoC is willing to give them to TC for free. If it was under normol circumstances, then TC would have to pay for their passports but they are getting them for free. Why are you trying to paint the RoC in a negative light when they are willing to give TC free passports!?

Like the health care too...its not standard to receive free healthcare in the RoC, it comes out of the taxes of Cyprus citizens. The TC do not pay those taxes put STILL receive free healthcare. So in effect, they are getting something for nothing. I cant see anything malicious out of this and to me tis a good will gesture...but countless times we see TC trying there best to make this look negative and its ridiculous. So I cant understand TC who use the FREE healthcare GIVEN to them by the RoC but on the otherhand see them in a totally bad light. Its as if your trying your hardest to put the RoC in a bad light for the sake of it.