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[RAFAELLA]

PIRATIS THEY HAVE NOT CLAIMED THEIR PROPERTY BACK but the point i was trying to get across was the lack of good will from all concerned.

Lack of good will? From who? From the victims?
All we show is good will and the more good will you get from us the more aggressive you ("TRNC" & Turkey) become.

[brother]

Lack of good will? From who? From the victims?
All we show is good will and the more good will you get from us the more aggressive you ("TRNC" & Turkey) become.

Calm dowm dude, go take a vallium or something or you will have a stroke or something.

Good will is a two way streak and it is NOT being practised by either side with any sincerity at all, any good will gesture we see is designed to get political points which is as useful as a pork chop in a synagogue.

[Viewpoint]

Hey guys, why was there a crowd of GCs in the English ladys garden in the first place and why the hell did they have to pick flowers??? Until theres a solution no amount of court cases or provoking can resolve anything, it may help close the gates if these incidents increase.
So maybe the GCs should start to apply pressure on their beloved administration for moving back to negotiating table to negotiate in good faith this time.

[RAFAELLA]

Lack of good will? From who? From the victims?
All we show is good will and the more good will you get from us the more aggressive you ("TRNC" & Turkey) become.

Calm dowm dude, go take a vallium or something or you will have a stroke or something.

Good will is a two way streak and it is NOT being practised by either side with any sincerity at all, any good will gesture we see is designed to get political points which is as useful as a pork chop in a synagogue.

Thanks for your concern "Brother"!
...but I always take valium before I read turkish comments

Btw, since your puppet state knows that Gc properties are being sold illegaly to foreigners, why it doesn't show any good will and prevent such actions?
What could happen if Gcs start selling Tc properties to foreigners?

[brother]

Two wrongs would not make a right is what i would say, the regime in the North knows it is wrong and i believe they will soon start to try and rectify it, remember we have just got rid of our dinosaur who was for partition and now with Talat i am hopeful for him addresing these problems and following the human rights charter.

The only real problem standing in the way of unity and peace as i see it is called tassos.

[garbitsch]

When did Greek side show "good will" towards Turkish Cypriots, apart from pushing them into more isolation?

Rafaella, the Turkish properties are already being misused by the people who live in them and the government who uses these properties for some other purposes. Selling them to foreigners won't be something new! Besides, if you are not satisfied with the Turkish comments, then you have no respect towards other people's views. You cannot wait someone to agree with you all the time. And you cannot wait from us start talking like a Greek Cypriot. Neither side speaks the absolute truth.

[magikthrill]

why this kind of polemicization obviates an agreement? Both TC and GC know what happened here. They know and understand the English womans point of view. And they know and understand the Greek point of view.

But all of this is a symptom, not a reason. A symptom of a de facto division of the island as a result of violent intercommunal conflict. What I don't understand is why so much effort is spent attacking the symptoms instead of the reason? We lambast the Turkish invasion/intervention and occupation, lament the expropriation, declare illegal the TRNC, and scrutinize every single world coming fromt he TRNC, Turkey or the EU in search of an issue that can be skewed the right way. But all of these circumstances are nothing but a result of the conflict, and eliminating them will not solve the conflict itself in any way.

Can anyone explain to me how a solution can be possible as long as we keep attacking the symptoms instead of the reason?

What the hell are you talking about? YOu are saying that it's time the GCs stopped calling on the actions the north has taken to reduce the chances of a solution because this is what reduces the chance of a solution?

Maybe the RoC should make a public apology to foreigners purchasing illegal properties too. Then they can go ahead and request the recognition of the TRNC claiming all properties of GCs in the north are null and void.

[RAFAELLA]

Hey guys, why was there a crowd of GCs in the English ladys garden in the first place and why the hell did they have to pick flowers??? Until theres a solution no amount of court cases or provoking can resolve anything, it may help close the gates if these incidents increase.
So maybe the GCs should start to apply pressure on their beloved administration for moving back to negotiating table to negotiate in good faith this time.

1st - there wasn't a crowd BUT the family that ownes the house
2nd - and in this case, there's no "English lady's garden" BUT the garden of the Gc family
3rd - the Gcs have a case they go to courts to proove the unjustice they are going through all those years...and I believe they should have done this years ago...as I said unjustice will never be blessed.
You have fallen in your own trap, since the day you opened the "borders" you also opened our eyes...nothing you can do.
You have fallen in your own trap, now it is difficult to close the "borders".

What good faith are you talking about? For 30 years the turkish side was always negative to any solution/discussion and for once the Gcs said No to Anan Plan - they did the right thing - and you blame them.
There was a referendum, you either say Yes or No...otherwise what's the point of having a referendum?

I see many people accusing the Gcs for saying No to Anan Plan BUT nobody bothers to think or to mention WHY they said No.

[garbitsch]

Rafaella, individuals cannot solve a 40 year old problem by sueing other individuals. When will you get that??

[Viewpoint]

RAFAELLA
1st can you imagine 5 greek cypriots in your garden picking flowers and being noisy like all cypriots, thats a crowd in my book.
2nd reality kicks home, theres an english lady living in a house that was formerally a GCs over 30 years ago, we all fucked up and are living this reality so dont come the high and mighty.
3rd Go to court its your right if you win then you can all return and try and force the current occupants out, good luck.
4th Fallen into our own trap, lots of GCs thought 1974 impossible dont underestimate anyone, the gates could be closed as swifly as they were open, overnight.

Why do the GCs keep going back to their rejection of the Annan plan, what I tried to get accross was that if there was an ounce of goodwill in GC negotiating the Annan 5 they would have gotten more issue resolved rather than hidding behind the EU solution.

Dont worry we have heard a stomache full of reasons why the GCs voted no, good luck to them, maybe this has given TCs time to re-evaluate union with the south and GCs.