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[SSBubbles]

Been watching some videos of one of my screen sweethearts, the late, the great Ms M Mercouri.

As you will all know, she and the composer Theodorakis and many, many others, spent the period of the military dictatorship in GR (67-74), in exile. In one of the videos Ms M shouts out the patriotic words:

"Elefteria e phanatos"

What does this mean ?

Does it mean anything anymore ?

When I was at Greek school in the UK .. I remember we did a play for the 25th March 1821 ... and it still brings tears to my eyes to think of those women who danced and threw themselves off the cliff, one by one, as the Turks approached ...

Fools. They missed out on the Turkish Delight.

At least the Turks got it right and covered it with chocolate!

[denizaksulu]

Been watching some videos of one of my screen sweethearts, the late, the great Ms M Mercouri.

As you will all know, she and the composer Theodorakis and many, many others, spent the period of the military dictatorship in GR (67-74), in exile. In one of the videos Ms M shouts out the patriotic words:

"Elefteria e phanatos"

What does this mean ?

Does it mean anything anymore ?

When I was at Greek school in the UK .. I remember we did a play for the 25th March 1821 ... and it still brings tears to my eyes to think of those women who danced and threw themselves off the cliff, one by one, as the Turks approached ...

Fools. They missed out on the Turkish Delight.

At least the Turks got it right and covered it with chocolate!

I thought it was Cadbury's who took the Turkish hazelnuts and covered 'em in chocolate. Did you want some?

[SSBubbles]

Been watching some videos of one of my screen sweethearts, the late, the great Ms M Mercouri.

As you will all know, she and the composer Theodorakis and many, many others, spent the period of the military dictatorship in GR (67-74), in exile. In one of the videos Ms M shouts out the patriotic words:

"Elefteria e phanatos"

What does this mean ?

Does it mean anything anymore ?

When I was at Greek school in the UK .. I remember we did a play for the 25th March 1821 ... and it still brings tears to my eyes to think of those women who danced and threw themselves off the cliff, one by one, as the Turks approached ...

Fools. They missed out on the Turkish Delight.

At least the Turks got it right and covered it with chocolate!

I thought it was Cadbury's who took the Turkish hazelnuts and covered 'em in chocolate. Did you want some?

FRY'S!

No wine, no chocolate - that is the new rule - for the time being anyway!

[Paphitis]

Er, I'm confused. A couple of the quotes there show an inclination to hand over the Northern part of Cyprus to Turkey. But then you have that last quote that calls on the 'peace-loving people' on both sides to stand up to the 'rejectionists', which indicates a desire for a democratic solution.

So where's the consistency?

Ela Manga Mangus,

He refers to "peace loving people" to stand up to the "rejectionists" of the Annan Plan. He is implying that the "rejectionists" of the Annan Plan are not "peace loving" because they rejected that plan as it was effectively handing Cyprus to Turkey on a silver platter. The illegal gains of Turkey would have been legalised with Cypriots not enjoying full freedom of movement and the right of residency in the northern parts of Cyprus. The occupation army would still maintain it's presence on the island and with Turkey's Guarantor powers, Turkey would have free reign in meddling into the sovereign nation's affairs. Cyprus would effectively be at the mercy of Turkish foreign policy and manipulation in perpetuity and have a licence to intervene in Cyprus at her own discretion by instigating an incident as TMT has done in the past, to justify any action. The Annan Plan would also have spelled the end of the RoC as we know it, which is our biggest defence against the occupation as we are internationally recognised as the only legal authority in Cyprus whereas the "trnc" is condemned as an illegal regime as per all UN resolutions which call on Turkey to withdraw immediately.

Since when does anyone need to stand up to the "rejectionists" which form no less than 76% of the population? And why refer to these people as "rejectionists" to begin with? I am sure that if a fair peace deal for Cyprus was tabled, then it would be supported, but the Annan Plan was clearly not fair and was only designed to give Turkey a permanent stranglehold on Cyprus by stealth.

Is Bananiot and the 24% that supported the Annan Plan the only people that want peace and the other 76% do not? I proudly include myself as a rejectionist and call on Bananiot to make his stand, RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW!

[miltiades]

For precisely the same reasons outlined by Paphitis I too , although did not vote , opposed the AP long before it was put to the people.
I recall my anger at our Cypriot politicians and the Greek government who were in support of the AP , and wondered why on earth did they - Cypriot politicians - even took part in the final stages of the AP completion.
The most annoying content was the fact that it was commonly referred to as a unification plan when indisputably it was nothing of the sort.
I hate flags as I find them archaic and divisive and yet we were asked , amongst other things , to accept that 50% of our Police stations would be flying the Greek flag and the other 50% the Turkish flag. I wondered where it would leave us Cypriots.
The AP had it been accepted would by now be simmering rather incessantly and the exploding time would by now be a matter of time and with Turkey overseeing things conflict would just be around the corner.

I detested the fact that our negotiators even considered this diabolical "unification" plan but I suppose with EU beckoning they went along.

We are a democracy and the opinions of those voting FOR the AP must be respected just as the opinions of the overwhelming majority who voted against.

[Magnus]

Er, I'm confused. A couple of the quotes there show an inclination to hand over the Northern part of Cyprus to Turkey. But then you have that last quote that calls on the 'peace-loving people' on both sides to stand up to the 'rejectionists', which indicates a desire for a democratic solution.

So where's the consistency?

Ela Manga Mangus,

He refers to "peace loving people" to stand up to the "rejectionists" of the Annan Plan. He is implying that the "rejectionists" of the Annan Plan are not "peace loving" because they rejected that plan as it was effectively handing Cyprus to Turkey on a silver platter. The illegal gains of Turkey would have been legalised with Cypriots not enjoying full freedom of movement and the right of residency in the northern parts of Cyprus. The occupation army would still maintain it's presence on the island and with Turkey's Guarantor powers, Turkey would have free reign in meddling into the sovereign nation's affairs. Cyprus would effectively be at the mercy of Turkish foreign policy and manipulation in perpetuity and have a licence to intervene in Cyprus at her own discretion by instigating an incident as TMT has done in the past, to justify any action. The Annan Plan would also have spelled the end of the RoC as we know it, which is our biggest defence against the occupation as we are internationally recognised as the only legal authority in Cyprus whereas the "trnc" is condemned as an illegal regime as per all UN resolutions which call on Turkey to withdraw immediately.

Since when does anyone need to stand up to the "rejectionists" which form no less than 76% of the population? And why refer to these people as "rejectionists" to begin with? I am sure that if a fair peace deal for Cyprus was tabled, then it would be supported, but the Annan Plan was clearly not fair and was only designed to give Turkey a permanent stranglehold on Cyprus by stealth.

Is Bananiot and the 24% that supported the Annan Plan the only people that want peace and the other 76% do not? I proudly include myself as a rejectionist and call on Bananiot to make his stand, RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW!

Ah, thank you. This is pretty much what I thought, it's just the choice of phrase that threw me. As you say, I couldn't figure out how handing Cyprus over to Turkey constitutes being 'peace-loving' or exactly why any true Cypriot would want to do that.

Clearly giving up your land, rights and freedom to become a sheep to a country that have already spent hundreds of years screwing you over is the Turkish idea of peace. If these people love Turkey so much then perhaps they should leave Cyprus and live there instead.

[Bananiot]

I suggest you make an effort to read the progressive newspapers and magazines in Turkey (Rantical etc) who explain the role Denktash played in 2003 - 2004 together with the deep state and the generals that were ready to act swiftly to prevent an agreement on the Annan Plan. Then you may ask your selves why these people felt so badly for the plan. Papadopoulos really came to the rescue of Erdogan in 2004 with the resounding no he got.

Now, it is either partition (remember, life is all about options) or a solution worse than the AP. I know what the scoundrels will choose. No need to elaborate.

[Bananiot]

By the way, I greet you from Mumbai, India. We are in the midst of the monsoon season and you should see what the real problems people face. When I hear Piratis and GR and the rest of the armchair lions talk about struggle I can only burst into laughter.

[Kifeas]

I suggest you make an effort to read the progressive newspapers and magazines in Turkey (Rantical etc) who explain the role Denktash played in 2003 - 2004 together with the deep state and the generals that were ready to act swiftly to prevent an agreement on the Annan Plan. Then you may ask your selves why these people felt so badly for the plan. Papadopoulos really came to the rescue of Erdogan in 2004 with the resounding no he got.

Now, it is either partition (remember, life is all about options) or a solution worse than the AP. I know what the scoundrels will choose. No need to elaborate.

Papadopoulos not only came to the rescue of Erdogan, but he also rescued the RoC that you were ready to demolish with the Annan plan, which Turkey was anyway never going to implement, as it is rivieled nowadays, and the end result would have been a complete chaos, after the desolution of the RoC in the name of such a bad and uncertain solution.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot apparently thinks it is OK to renew the status of the Brtitish bases in perpetuity and give them their own territorial waters and continental shelf. For that alone the Annan plan should have been rejected. And a whole bunch of other details which obviously pass right over the head of the "pragmatists".

The whole idea is to have something that works. If we are recreating 1963 then no thanks, you can keep your plans.