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WHAT MAKARIOS' TRUE AGENDA AND WAS HE SOVIET PUPPET

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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:52 pm

MedByzantine wrote:It’s all about AGENDAS. Enough time has passed, Cypriots in the North and South should forget bitter feuds, the vicious cycle of vengeance focus on their own sides, and decide their own futures without the need for approval from Greece Turkey, EU and NATO for what is done on the island. It’s a small place with no significant threat to the World, but various powers are all looking to use Cyprus for their own benefits, political, military and economic gains.

As for Makarios being charismatic, leaders past and present has had some kind of charisma; Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Mussolini, John F. Kennedy, Alexander the Great, and Julius Caeser, all had charisma and in some peoples’ minds even Osama Bin Ladin supposedly has charisma, even reporters for CNN who interviewed Osama Bin Ladin say he had some kind of charisma . Leaders wouldn’t be leaders without some kind of charisma. It is whether a leader has good or bad intentions to others and a sense of fairness and equality that defines a good leader.

While I agree entirely with your opening paragraph and endorse your views fully , I must not only disagree with your assessment on Makarios but must also express my utter horror at the flippancy with which you dismiss charismatic leadership as a non virtue since varying degree of charisma is apparent with most leaders.
No Sir , Makarios was the ONLY ethnarch the nation had at the time , remembering that through out our history we were never allowed the privilege to cultivate our own political spheres , hence the Archbishop was indeed a natural ethnarch for the people.
He was NEVER a communist , he made dreadful mistakes due to his lack of diplomatic skills , but never a communist.
As far as Makarios's intentions one can only say that he endeavoured to do for his people , the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , what they considered to have been their goal , union with Greece.
Ultimately his position changed in line with the position of most G/Cs , the rest is history.
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Postby Magnus » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:26 pm

I hate these 'Makarios' threads. No sources, no clear evidence, no definite conclusions, just another attempt to slur the name of a Greek Cypriot hero.

The man did his absolute best for what he thought was right for Cyprus during a time when he was constantly under threat from people trying to kill or depose him and having to protect Cyprus from the machinations of external powers.

How about an acknowledgement that the freedom granted to Cyprus fell far short of true independence? Or perhaps a suggestion as to who might have been a better leader in these circumstances?

If you're interested in political puppets, look to the North and ask Mr Talat who pulls his strings.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:26 pm

He was a dirty piedofile Turk hater and caused us the worst and dark past of our history, good riddens to bad rubbish.
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Postby Rebel.Without.A.Pause » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:47 pm

He was a dirty piedofile Turk hater and caused us the worst and dark past of our history, good riddens to bad rubbish.


So he liked pie's??? Or is this another Turkish lie with no evidence??
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Postby soyer » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:16 pm

Piratis wrote:
It’s all about AGENDAS. Enough time has passed, Cypriots in the North and South should forget bitter feuds, the vicious cycle of vengeance focus on their own sides, and decide their own futures without the need for approval from Greece Turkey, EU and NATO for what is done on the island. It’s a small place with no significant threat to the World, but various powers are all looking to use Cyprus for their own benefits, political, military and economic gains.


Republic of Cyprus doesn't need the approval of anybody. It only has to fulfill her obligations as a UN and EU member.

Can you explain what you mean by saying that TCs and GCs should "focus on their own sides, and decide their own futures". For example, on whose side is Kerynia, and who decides Kerynias future?

The answer for peace is not "sides" and "futures", but democracy so Cypriots as a whole can democratically decide their common future, because Cyprus can not be divided and have peace at the same time.

As for Makarios being charismatic, leaders past and present has had some kind of charisma; Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Mussolini, John F. Kennedy, Alexander the Great, and Julius Caeser, all had charisma and in some peoples’ minds even Osama Bin Ladin supposedly has charisma, even reporters for CNN who interviewed Osama Bin Ladin say he had some kind of charisma . Leaders wouldn’t be leaders without some kind of charisma. It is whether a leader has good or bad intentions to others and a sense of fairness and equality that defines a good leader.

Maybe Makarios made some mistakes but his intentions where definitely good and he had a sense of fairness and equality.


Bear in mind that Makarios with his Enosis idea separate Cypriot's into two majority nationalist community. If he did not demand Enosis with Greece T/Cs wouldn't answer back with Taksim request, and face each other like enemy.
1950's was a very good opportunity to start OKA (Organisation of Cypriot Fighters) where all of Cypriots could struggle for independence together, and try to create Cypriot nation like Maltese did in Malta.
Makarios not only make some mistakes he is the complete cause of Cyprus problem and he himself admit "It is in the name of << enosis >> that Cyprus has been destroyed." But when he realize his fault it was to late.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:58 pm

Much of what you say is correct , had we , G/Cs and T/Cs fought for independence from Britain , maybe things would be different today.
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Postby B0B » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:19 pm

the soviets might have failed taking over cyprus but the russians surely succeed :lol:
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and its a communist party rule :shock: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:44 pm

Despite our shackles and the major players that conspired to destroy and rule us, for a small country, with the guiding hand of Makarios ... we have come such a long way.

No wonder the Turks try to destroy his memory.

Just one last hurdle to overcome my dear GCs, and we will reach that promised self-determination that Makarios fought so hard for. :wink:
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Postby soyer » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:44 pm

miltiades wrote:Much of what you say is correct , had we , G/Cs and T/Cs fought for independence from Britain , maybe things would be different today.


I always belive this Miltiades.
Having believe this, unlike you i also believe no one can turn time back, nationalism widespread among both community. Hope we can learn to live near and respect each other existence.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:01 pm

If you wanted an independent Cyprus then you had over 340 years to implement such thing. Why you didn't and instead choose to enslave and oppress us?

TCs never proposed independence. In fact the first person who proposed independence was Makarios.

Maybe Crete, Rhodos, each Greek territory and island should have a separate state so the Turks could have their way easier Soyer?

Being part of a free Greek state was a right of Cyprus as it was the right of every other Greek island and territory. You can not equate our 100% legitimate desire for freedom from foreign empires with your criminal demand to exterminate the great majority of the native Cypriot people from half of their island so you can artificially create some Turkish state there.
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