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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 24, 2005 8:30 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
Kifeas wrote:I have a hypothetical question to make.
Should Turkey had allowed 500,000 people from Anatolia to settle in Cyprus during all these 30 years, would you still have the same opinion, assuming that whatever incentive given to them would not convince them to live Cyprus?


It's a good question and one that I'm struggling with... but ultimately the same argument counts and the argument for their non-removal is even greater given the vast numbers involved...

Let me say this... I fundamentally disagree with the policy that both the Turkish governments and TRNC have pursued in importing citizens from the mainland, rather than trying to improve the situation of the TCs, who have been forced en masse to emigrate in order to improve their economic lot. Had resources instead been channelled into developing the infrastructure and economic opportunities available to TCs, the differential between north and south would not be so great AND I doubt GCs would be so perturbed about measures to assist them.

However, as of today, we aren't faced with hypothetical, we are faced with the real prospect of the forced repatriation of tens of thousands of people should a solution along current lines be found. I've already explained my problem with this, and I continue to stand by what I said.


Since we do not have any concrete and reliable data regarding the number of these people, it may well be the case that they are indeed much more, even close to the number I have given.

However, even in the hypothetical scenario that they could have been that many, you still hold that their removal should remain on a voluntary basis and if none or very few choose to live, the remaining should all stay. As I have understood, for you it is rather a matter of principle and adherence with moral issues and human rights.

The GCs shouldn’t be bothered with the fact that this will result to an enormous demographic change of the Cypriot population. Furthermore, GCs shouldn’t be concerned about their employment as cheap labour, against the interests of the rest of Cypriots. And in case employment for everybody is not feasible, GCs should not be concerned about the social implications that such a policy will create.

Even if they are (or were) in numbers of hundreds of thousands rather than in numbers of tens of thousands that we all tend to believe they are.

Should they also be granted citizenship?
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Tue May 24, 2005 8:33 pm

oops Sorry Mr cannedmoose.

It means that you are a REAL Human Being. Actually much more but that's the gist of it
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Tue May 24, 2005 8:35 pm

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Should they also be granted citizenship?[/quote]

Mr Kifeas

They ARE citizens.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 24, 2005 8:37 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:oops Sorry Mr cannedmoose.

It means that you are a REAL Human Being. Actually much more but that's the gist of it


While we (GCs) are not real human beings!
According to you.
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Tue May 24, 2005 8:46 pm

Kifeas wrote:
suetoniuspaulinus wrote:oops Sorry Mr cannedmoose.

It means that you are a REAL Human Being. Actually much more but that's the gist of it


While we (GCs) are not real human beings!
According to you.


Mr Kifeas

No sir that is not what I mean't at all, We areALL humanbeings, and if you believe in a Supreme Deity then we are also ALL his children.

Even the New Citizens.

By labelling Mr canned moose a Mensch, I was simply using a Yiddish word that I learnt,which is usually applied to an extraordinary human being, one who wrestles with his conscience and then makes the morally correct choice.This is all I mean't sir.

No offence to any GC, including yourself, was intended.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 24, 2005 8:50 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
suetoniuspaulinus wrote:oops Sorry Mr cannedmoose.

It means that you are a REAL Human Being. Actually much more but that's the gist of it


While we (GCs) are not real human beings!
According to you.


Mr Kifeas

No sir that is not what I mean't at all, We areALL humanbeings, and if you believe in a Supreme Deity then we are also ALL his children.

Even the New Citizens.

By labelling Mr canned moose a Mensch, I was simply using a Yiddish word that I learnt,which is usually applied to an extraordinary human being, one who wrestles with his conscience and then makes the morally correct choice.This is all I mean't sir.

No offence to any GC, including yourself, was intended.


While we (GCs,) do not make the morally correct choices.
According to you.
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue May 24, 2005 8:52 pm

I think you're twisting his words re...
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Tue May 24, 2005 8:56 pm

Mr kifeas

I would appear that nothing I say is going to appease you

Mr cannedmoose faced a dilema, and in my opinion he made a correct choice.

If my response to him made you feel that I have slighted the GC's in general or you in particular. then I must inform you that this was not my intention.
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Postby boulio » Tue May 24, 2005 9:00 pm

a large portion of settlers have to return,im sorry settlers(and this might sound inhumane)do not and should not have priority over cypriots after a solution.Turkey's "PEACE OPERATION"was to save the turkish cypriots from the g/c correct?it was not to resettle turks on cyprus.I think Alex is completly correct in his assesment that the g/c will sacrifice on BBF but the t/c will sacrifice the settlers.


Ps. i think the t/c if they were sincere in truly finding a solution would conduct a truly independent population census in the north.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 24, 2005 9:13 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:Mr kifeas

I would appear that nothing I say is going to appease you

Mr cannedmoose faced a dilema, and in my opinion he made a correct choice.

If my response to him made you feel that I have slighted the GC's in general or you in particular. then I must inform you that this was not my intention.


It seems that his opinion and or his choices (as you said,) are in conflict with the GC's ideas and opinions.

Therefore,
If you say that he is a real human being because he is capable to make the correct choice, and since it is the opposite of what the GCs choose and accept, then the GCs are not real human beings because they are incapable of making the correct choices.

PS: Are you in the business of appeasing me or anybody else in this forum?
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