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[halil]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that settlement of the Cyprus problem was a need, not only for Turkish Cypriots but also for Greek Cypriots.

The President was speaking to the Turkish television’s second channel just hours after his discussions with the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofis yesterday.

Referring to the new negotiations process launch in Cyprus, the President drew attention to the fact that `nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed`.

Reminding that the two leaders have agreed not to make statements to prevent further media speculation, he said that the media, especially the Greek Cypriot media was trying to pull the two leaders into a debate.

Asked to comment on Christofias’ statement that he would not be making any concessions at the talks, the President said `How can we reach an agreement without concessions? Mutual concessions are needed in order to achieve success`.

Mr Talat said that there was a positive atmosphere at his meeting with the Greek Cypriot leader yesterday and that they understand each other.

`But I don’t know whether progress will be achieved or not.` he said.

President Talat said that the talks started with the principle that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed but said that the Turkish Cypriot Side would maintain its position in support of a comprehensive settlement.

Yesterday, the two leaders discussed governance and power sharing.

The next meeting between the two leaders will be held on the 18th of September when they will continue their discussions on these issues.

The next issue to be discussed is property, which is seen as one of the most difficult issues of the Cyprus problem.

[Kifeas]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that settlement of the Cyprus problem was a need, not only for Turkish Cypriots but also for Greek Cypriots.

The President was speaking to the Turkish television’s second channel just hours after his discussions with the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofis yesterday.

Referring to the new negotiations process launch in Cyprus, the President drew attention to the fact that `nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed`.

Reminding that the two leaders have agreed not to make statements to prevent further media speculation, he said that the media, especially the Greek Cypriot media was trying to pull the two leaders into a debate.

Asked to comment on Christofias’ statement that he would not be making any concessions at the talks, the President said `How can we reach an agreement without concessions? Mutual concessions are needed in order to achieve success`.

Mr Talat said that there was a positive atmosphere at his meeting with the Greek Cypriot leader yesterday and that they understand each other.

`But I don’t know whether progress will be achieved or not.` he said.

President Talat said that the talks started with the principle that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed but said that the Turkish Cypriot Side would maintain its position in support of a comprehensive settlement.

Yesterday, the two leaders discussed governance and power sharing.

The next meeting between the two leaders will be held on the 18th of September when they will continue their discussions on these issues.

The next issue to be discussed is property, which is seen as one of the most difficult issues of the Cyprus problem.

Halil, I suggest to you and the rest of the TCs to wake up, because the biggest victims for the emerging non-solution of the Cyprus problem, will be you as a community, far more than the GCs will be. I suggest you wake up, because if you stultifingly believe that there can ever be a solution on the basis of drawing a mid-point between the extremist and uncompromising positions of your leadership and Turkey, and the already compromised portions of the GC side, as your leadership seems to hope or believe, then you are mistaken because there will be no solution, yet this time.

I suggest you wake up, get into the streets again, because if there will be no solution, the future for your side won't be recognition, because this has already been sorted out as we pretty much locked and sealed well out such a possibility. The future outcome of the non-solution will be the continuation of the status quo, with the only two certain results being the loss of Turkey's EU accession process and the eventual absorption of your community by Turkey and its disappearance from Cyprus.

I suggest you wake up, because when the more than 80% community (more than 4:1) proposes to you a ministerial cabinet and a rotating presidency on the basis of 3:1, you take it and say thank you; instead of acting like a peasant that once he is pampered a bit by his host, he gains so much "courage" that decides to "step into his host's bed with his boots on." Thinking that by counter proposing a 3:2 ratio for the above functions, that you will drag in this way the other side and compel it to compromise on a 2:1 ratio, is not a truly clever strategy from one that claims to want a solution -as your leader thinks and preaches! You are no more clever ones than the other side is, and the end result will be to kill the negotiation process, one hour sooner than later.

[halil]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that settlement of the Cyprus problem was a need, not only for Turkish Cypriots but also for Greek Cypriots.

The President was speaking to the Turkish television’s second channel just hours after his discussions with the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofis yesterday.

Referring to the new negotiations process launch in Cyprus, the President drew attention to the fact that `nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed`.

Reminding that the two leaders have agreed not to make statements to prevent further media speculation, he said that the media, especially the Greek Cypriot media was trying to pull the two leaders into a debate.

Asked to comment on Christofias’ statement that he would not be making any concessions at the talks, the President said `How can we reach an agreement without concessions? Mutual concessions are needed in order to achieve success`.

Mr Talat said that there was a positive atmosphere at his meeting with the Greek Cypriot leader yesterday and that they understand each other.

`But I don’t know whether progress will be achieved or not.` he said.

President Talat said that the talks started with the principle that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed but said that the Turkish Cypriot Side would maintain its position in support of a comprehensive settlement.

Yesterday, the two leaders discussed governance and power sharing.

The next meeting between the two leaders will be held on the 18th of September when they will continue their discussions on these issues.

The next issue to be discussed is property, which is seen as one of the most difficult issues of the Cyprus problem.

Halil, I suggest to you and the rest of the TCs to wake up, because the biggest victims for the emerging non-solution of the Cyprus problem, will be you as a community, far more than the GCs will be. I suggest you wake up, because if you stultifingly believe that there can ever be a solution on the basis of drawing a mid-point between the extremist and uncompromising positions of your leadership and Turkey, and the already compromised portions of the GC side, as your leadership seems to hope or believe, then you are mistaken because there will be no solution, yet this time.

I suggest you wake up, get into the streets again, because if there will be no solution, the future for your side won't be recognition, because this has already been sorted out as we pretty much locked and sealed well out such a possibility. The future outcome of the non-solution will be the continuation of the status quo, with the only two certain results being the loss of Turkey's EU accession process and the eventual absorption of your community by Turkey and its disappearance from Cyprus.

I suggest you wake up, because when the more than 80% community (more than 4:1) proposes to you a ministerial cabinet and a rotating presidency on the basis of 3:1, you take it and say thank you; instead of acting like a peasant that once he is pampered a bit by his host, he gains so much "courage" that decides to "step into his host's bed with his boots on." Thinking that by counter proposing a 3:2 ratio for the above functions, that you will drag in this way the other side and compel it to compromise on a 2:1 ratio, is not a truly clever strategy from one that claims to want a solution -as your leader thinks and preaches! You are no more clever ones than the other side is, and the end result will be to kill the negotiation process, one hour sooner than later.

Kifeas ,

I trust my leader ..... He is following the TC's request from him .

When the time comes we know when we can do demonstrations .

[Oracle]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that settlement of the Cyprus problem was a need, not only for Turkish Cypriots but also for Greek Cypriots.

The President was speaking to the Turkish television’s second channel just hours after his discussions with the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofis yesterday.

Referring to the new negotiations process launch in Cyprus, the President drew attention to the fact that `nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed`.

Reminding that the two leaders have agreed not to make statements to prevent further media speculation, he said that the media, especially the Greek Cypriot media was trying to pull the two leaders into a debate.

Asked to comment on Christofias’ statement that he would not be making any concessions at the talks, the President said `How can we reach an agreement without concessions? Mutual concessions are needed in order to achieve success`.

Mr Talat said that there was a positive atmosphere at his meeting with the Greek Cypriot leader yesterday and that they understand each other.

`But I don’t know whether progress will be achieved or not.` he said.

President Talat said that the talks started with the principle that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed but said that the Turkish Cypriot Side would maintain its position in support of a comprehensive settlement.

Yesterday, the two leaders discussed governance and power sharing.

The next meeting between the two leaders will be held on the 18th of September when they will continue their discussions on these issues.

The next issue to be discussed is property, which is seen as one of the most difficult issues of the Cyprus problem.

Halil, I suggest to you and the rest of the TCs to wake up, because the biggest victims for the emerging non-solution of the Cyprus problem, will be you as a community, far more than the GCs will be. I suggest you wake up, because if you stultifingly believe that there can ever be a solution on the basis of drawing a mid-point between the extremist and uncompromising positions of your leadership and Turkey, and the already compromised portions of the GC side, as your leadership seems to hope or believe, then you are mistaken because there will be no solution, yet this time.

I suggest you wake up, get into the streets again, because if there will be no solution, the future for your side won't be recognition, because this has already been sorted out as we pretty much locked and sealed well out such a possibility. The future outcome of the non-solution will be the continuation of the status quo, with the only two certain results being the loss of Turkey's EU accession process and the eventual absorption of your community by Turkey and its disappearance from Cyprus.

I suggest you wake up, because when the more than 80% community (more than 4:1) proposes to you a ministerial cabinet and a rotating presidency on the basis of 3:1, you take it and say thank you; instead of acting like a peasant that once he is pampered a bit by his host, he gains so much "courage" that decides to "step into his host's bed with his boots on." Thinking that by counter proposing a 3:2 ratio for the above functions, that you will drag in this way the other side and compel it to compromise on a 2:1 ratio, is not a truly clever strategy from one that claims to want a solution -as your leader thinks and preaches! You are no more clever ones than the other side is, and the end result will be to kill the negotiation process, one hour sooner than later.

Kifeas ... why don't you give up on the TCs as an entity, as the rest of us forward thinking GCs have already done ....

Forget the TCs, and negotiate with those that matter!

[zan]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that settlement of the Cyprus problem was a need, not only for Turkish Cypriots but also for Greek Cypriots.

The President was speaking to the Turkish television’s second channel just hours after his discussions with the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofis yesterday.

Referring to the new negotiations process launch in Cyprus, the President drew attention to the fact that `nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed`.

Reminding that the two leaders have agreed not to make statements to prevent further media speculation, he said that the media, especially the Greek Cypriot media was trying to pull the two leaders into a debate.

Asked to comment on Christofias’ statement that he would not be making any concessions at the talks, the President said `How can we reach an agreement without concessions? Mutual concessions are needed in order to achieve success`.

Mr Talat said that there was a positive atmosphere at his meeting with the Greek Cypriot leader yesterday and that they understand each other.

`But I don’t know whether progress will be achieved or not.` he said.

President Talat said that the talks started with the principle that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed but said that the Turkish Cypriot Side would maintain its position in support of a comprehensive settlement.

Yesterday, the two leaders discussed governance and power sharing.

The next meeting between the two leaders will be held on the 18th of September when they will continue their discussions on these issues.

The next issue to be discussed is property, which is seen as one of the most difficult issues of the Cyprus problem.

Halil, I suggest to you and the rest of the TCs to wake up, because the biggest victims for the emerging non-solution of the Cyprus problem, will be you as a community, far more than the GCs will be. I suggest you wake up, because if you stultifingly believe that there can ever be a solution on the basis of drawing a mid-point between the extremist and uncompromising positions of your leadership and Turkey, and the already compromised portions of the GC side, as your leadership seems to hope or believe, then you are mistaken because there will be no solution, yet this time.

I suggest you wake up, get into the streets again, because if there will be no solution, the future for your side won't be recognition, because this has already been sorted out as we pretty much locked and sealed well out such a possibility. The future outcome of the non-solution will be the continuation of the status quo, with the only two certain results being the loss of Turkey's EU accession process and the eventual absorption of your community by Turkey and its disappearance from Cyprus.

I suggest you wake up, because when the more than 80% community (more than 4:1) proposes to you a ministerial cabinet and a rotating presidency on the basis of 3:1, you take it and say thank you; instead of acting like a peasant that once he is pampered a bit by his host, he gains so much "courage" that decides to "step into his host's bed with his boots on." Thinking that by counter proposing a 3:2 ratio for the above functions, that you will drag in this way the other side and compel it to compromise on a 2:1 ratio, is not a truly clever strategy from one that claims to want a solution -as your leader thinks and preaches! You are no more clever ones than the other side is, and the end result will be to kill the negotiation process, one hour sooner than later.

Kifeas ... why don't you give up on the TCs as an entity, as the rest of us forward thinking GCs have already done ....

Forget the TCs, and negotiate with those that matter!

Greece!!!!

[Nikitas]

The more you read about all this BBF lark the more attractive is Kifea's signature quote.

[zan]

The more you read about all this BBF lark the more attractive is Kifea's signature quote.

I'm sure you do...Why should you lose out on anything

[halil]

Differences between 2 sides.................

GC's side:
Solution must entail a single sovereignty ,single citizenship , bi-zonal,bi-communal solution which respects the fundemental principles of EU law,the solution will no be a new partnership state ,but will transform the existing 1960 ROC into a federal state which was seen as a major concession of the GC side in 1977 absolutly no Turkish guarentees will be acceptable and neither a confederation ,nor new partnership of 2 states through virgin birth will be accepted .The federal solution will be a partnership of two communities.

TC's side:
Solution must entail the existing of Turkish and Greek Cypriot constituent states of equal status,continuation of Turkish guarantees as established in the 1960 treaties. and more importantly to established a new partnership state in which the sovereign rights both Turkish and Greek Cypriots will be protected on the concept of two peoples.This is why the Turkish side has given all its might for there to be politicaly equality in the solution.İn international law ,only people and a nation have the right to self determinate .''Communities'' however do not .

[Kifeas]

Differences between 2 sides.................

GC's side:
Solution must entail a single sovereignty ,single citizenship , bi-zonal,bi-communal solution which respects the fundemental principles of EU law,the solution will no be a new partnership state ,but will transform the existing 1960 ROC into a federal state which was seen as a major concession of the GC side in 1977 absolutly no Turkish guarentees will be acceptable and neither a confederation ,nor new partnership of 2 states through virgin birth will be accepted .The federal solution will be a partnership of two communities.

TC's side:
Solution must entail the existing of Turkish and Greek Cypriot constituent states of equal status,continuation of Turkish guarantees as established in the 1960 treaties. and more importantly to established a new partnership state in which the sovereign rights both Turkish and Greek Cypriots will be protected on the concept of two peoples.This is why the Turkish side has given all its might for there to be politicaly equality in the solution.İn international law ,only people and a nation have the right to self determinate .''Communities'' however do not .

“Pekiyi” Halil ...“Pekiyi!!!” Keep sleeping in the middle of the day, and keep day dreaming, but do not come here crying afterwards! You and the rest of your community!

When one is asking for the "too much," in the end, as always in life, loses even the "very little," and this is what will precisely happen with you.

[growuptcs]

Differences between 2 sides.................

GC's side:
Solution must entail a single sovereignty ,single citizenship , bi-zonal,bi-communal solution which respects the fundemental principles of EU law,the solution will no be a new partnership state ,but will transform the existing 1960 ROC into a federal state which was seen as a major concession of the GC side in 1977 absolutly no Turkish guarentees will be acceptable and neither a confederation ,nor new partnership of 2 states through virgin birth will be accepted .The federal solution will be a partnership of two communities.

TC's side:
Solution must entail the existing of Turkish and Greek Cypriot constituent states of equal status,continuation of Turkish guarantees as established in the 1960 treaties. and more importantly to established a new partnership state in which the sovereign rights both Turkish and Greek Cypriots will be protected on the concept of two peoples.This is why the Turkish side has given all its might for there to be politicaly equality in the solution.İn international law ,only people and a nation have the right to self determinate .''Communities'' however do not .

International community:
How long will it take for the Turks to realize that they're sheisters instead of crying why they can't join the EU?