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[halil]

News from the Northern Cyprus........

THE TURKISH CYPRİOT SIDE WANTS A PRESIDENTIAL COUNCIL

The TC's side which has rejected the Greek Cypriot side's proposals regarding a presidential system ,wants a council equipped with powers consisting of a president and a vise president.

The biggest disagreement on the the creation of a federal Cypriot State is said to be on the issue of adminstration.

During meeting of working groups .the Greek Cypriot side proposed a presidential system compromised of a president ,vice president and a council of ministers.The president and vise president would be directly and joint elected by the guarenteed ratios of the two communities .In other words , ın order for a president or vice president to be elected ,the candidate should receive the minimum percentage of votes from the other community.

The Turkish Cypriot side rejected this in its entirety and instead has proposed the creation of a presidential council on which both the president and vice presidentwould have seats.The persones on the presidential council would be elected by members of parliment and would have significant powers.The Turkish Cyprioy side has also proposed that the 5 year presidency be shared in rotation with a Greek Cypriot taking up the post for 3 years and a Turkish Cypriot for the remaining two .While the Turkish Cypriot side insist on internal soverignty or jurisdiction , it wants equality in all ranks of federal police .

the Turkish Cypriot side has not rejected in principle the equal participation of Cyprus in The EU's joint defence and security policy,as published recently in politis newspaper.
participation in this policy would not detract from Turkey's rights stemmenig from the 1960 treaties.

The Turkish Cypriot side which insists on maintaining and continuning the quarantorship of Turkey .Greece and the Great Britain also wants the permanent presence of 650 Turkish and 950 Greek troops as stated in the 1960 consititution .It also wants the continuation of Turkey's unilateral right to intervention which stems from the 1960 treaties.

[Kikapu]

Nice Kinky-pu ....

Cares for Cyprus and its people ....

(but no BBF please ... one community, one people!)

One PEOPLE as CYPRIOTS in a True Federation and True Democracy can also work as in the case of the USA with TWO states Oracle, but only under True Federation and not the BBF Confederation, Undemocratic, Racist and Human Rights violation the 2004 Annan Plan had.

[halil]

News from the North ......

according to TC's press .
The GC's news paper Politis stated that agreement had been reached in the following areas:The authority of the centeal goverment ,domestic affairs ,EU affairs ,citizenship ,central bank , international shipping ,aviation ,continental shelf ,territorial waters and natural sources.

the paper also wrote the following underneath the list of issues convergence has been reached on:
In addition ,agreement has also been reachet on treaties ,pacts and agreements signed by previously by the northern Cyprus.Any prior agreements on citizenship ,migration ,property and other issues .which condradict with a comprehensive settlement ,will be rendered void and invalid.In other words ,the citizenship of settlers and title deeds of Greek Cypriot properties will not be valid.

Accordingly ,when asked whether property given to Turkish nationals would be invalid the Turkish Cypriot official replied :This statement has no foundation whatsoever.The committees have a taken decision on this issue .The TRNC documents and agreements will be valid in any future solution.

Özdil Nami ,the representative of TC's leader Mehmet Ali Talat explained in a statement to daily Yenidüzen newspaper ,from our perspective ,all TRNC citizens are citizens notwithstanding .The criteria which determine who will be become citizens of theew state must encompass this understanding.This is an issue of human rights.In other words , no one can force people who have been living in this land for years,who were born here,who married here and who had children here to move to another country .this would be a violation of human rights.

[halil]

Is it true that Mustafa Gokmen is not a Cypriot?

You mean his origin is not a Turkish Cypriot ....

İt is true ....he is from Turkey .....he lives in Northern part of Cyprus since 1974 .He is citizan of the TRNC ....According to TRNC law he can elect or elected also he can be TRNC president too .

He does not need to be elected as a "trnc president" Halil, since he is a Turk, he already has more power than Talat and any other TC's in the north. You better hope for a settlement soon, if the TC's ever want to have any say so in their future in Cyprus, or else, they will become the "forgotten community" amongst the settlers in not too distant future.!

As you always say Halil, "there are two sides to a coin".!!

The TC's will end up being the Tails and the Settlers as being the Heads.!!

Are you still happy to have given out "trnc citizenship's" to every Tom, Dick and Harry or have you already reached the
"buyer's remorse" stage yet Halil.??

If not, don't worry, there's still time Halil, but for others, the time of "buyer's remorse" is already here.!!

ofcourse there is a other side of the coin Kikapu ...

your democracy understanding and mines are differs some how gardaşcığım.

who ever has got citizenship of the TRNC has got rights Kikapu .
you are talking about democracy can't you be elected or elect where do you live now .

but your avatar says about you as well .... i can see it you are the black sheep .....

settlers or oters are the rewalities of the TRNC kikapu .

even Tess can be president according to our laws .... if she has got citizensip .....

[humanist]

I wonder if the Turks are proposing that the last two years of the presidency will be seen out by the TC president who is of the same party as the GC president. hhmmmmmm it's already confusing.

[halil]

to confuse you more humanist ,

Latest public survey in North confuses minds .
67% NO If referndum is held !

[halil]

The percentage of people who don't belive a solution is possible has risen to 71% of the 875 people who partipicated in survey,67 % say they will vote ''NO'' if a new referandum is held on a solution.

62 % would like a solution in Cyprus based on completly two seperate states .If referandum of 2004 were repeated ,the percentage of people who would reject a solution stands 67% while only 33% who would choose to vote all. Those who support the recognition of the TRNC as alternative solution stand as 84% .

Asked which country they trusted the most 80.6% of partipants chose Turkey.
only 6.7 % trust ROC .
44.5% trust UN.
40.2 % trust EU.
On wheter North Cyprus should become a member of EU 37 % said they support EU.
membership after Turkey joined 26%
after a solution 6%

According to the survey ,the final solution packet to Cyprus problem should include Turkey's effective guarentee followed by political equallity and application of EU laws to both communities.

while 71.2 % support Turkey's right to unilaterally intervene in Cyprus.
61% supported the signing of a defense and cooperation pact with Turkey without changing the treaty of quarantees.

According to the results of survey which were annouced 365 of 875 participants see the price hikes and inflation as the most immediately important problems.
The TRNC status came seconed in importance for 27.3% and increase in unemployment came third 26.3%

72% of the participant view the government unsuccesful while 22 % consider it to be succesfull.

[Oracle]

Turks can't count ....

[Kikapu]

Is it true that Mustafa Gokmen is not a Cypriot?

You mean his origin is not a Turkish Cypriot ....

İt is true ....he is from Turkey .....he lives in Northern part of Cyprus since 1974 .He is citizan of the TRNC ....According to TRNC law he can elect or elected also he can be TRNC president too .

He does not need to be elected as a "trnc president" Halil, since he is a Turk, he already has more power than Talat and any other TC's in the north. You better hope for a settlement soon, if the TC's ever want to have any say so in their future in Cyprus, or else, they will become the "forgotten community" amongst the settlers in not too distant future.!

As you always say Halil, "there are two sides to a coin".!!

The TC's will end up being the Tails and the Settlers as being the Heads.!!

Are you still happy to have given out "trnc citizenship's" to every Tom, Dick and Harry or have you already reached the
"buyer's remorse" stage yet Halil.??

If not, don't worry, there's still time Halil, but for others, the time of "buyer's remorse" is already here.!!

ofcourse there is a other side of the coin Kikapu ...

your democracy understanding and mines are differs some how gardaşcığım.

who ever has got citizenship of the TRNC has got rights Kikapu .
you are talking about democracy can't you be elected or elect where do you live now .

but your avatar says about you as well .... i can see it you are the black sheep .....

settlers or oters are the rewalities of the TRNC kikapu .

even Tess can be president according to our laws .... if she has got citizensip .....

but your avatar says about you as well .... i can see it you are the black sheep .....

Yes Halil, my Avatar does say a lot.!

What it says is, that the TC's have become the Black Sheep of the north, as well as being 1:4 Ratio minority by the settlers.!

your democracy understanding and mines are differs some how gardaşcığım.

You sure got that one right, Halil.!

It's late and I don't have the time to teach you what the differences are right now, but in a nut shell, your Democracy is what the Annan Plan wrote, and mine has nothing to do with what the Annan Plan wrote.!

[humanist]

oh well if the people say no to referendum that might take us to the next step. partition on 18% - 82% and after a couple of years on the forum now I fully supprt that option. However, you guys want more and stray away from any discussion on such option. wonder why really.