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[Oracle]

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American)

Not just south Americans .... you were the ones who would not allow Muslims to practice their religion in Spain and forbade them speaking their own language, forced them to become Catholics ... and this still took place until not too long ago.

So that's why I find it hard to believe that you are Spanish and fighting the cause of the "Muslims" in Cyprus ... unless you are one of these screwed up Muslims the Spanish are trying to honour now through the EU.

Are you honestly comparing what we did to the Moors, to what Pizarro did to the Incas or Aztec's?
You think the Muslim's had it bad in Spain? You forget about The Inquisition?
I'm not surprised you find it hard considering your a racist tool, but to me its just people, not Christian Muslim Inca Aztec, its just people because its 2008 & not 1821 or 1775 or whatever the f*ck...

What is a racist tool? ... A PCR machine You know nothing about race ... move on!

I do not condone what the Spanish did abroad ..... I merely reminded you they also were guilty of atrocities on their home turf.

I am atheistic ... so I care not for religions either .. but you have some contradictions.

Why are you as a Muslim hating Spaniard, denying what you did to the Muslims of your own country? ... things that we have never done to the Muslims of our country ... We have behaved better than the Spanish towards the Muslims of our own country. For example we have never converted any of their mosques to Churches ... even though they did that to us with Hagia Sofia ... Yet where have you built Cordoba Cathedral ... and why do you deny the Muslims using even part of it?

So you do not care for the Spanish Muslims (again you sweep under the carpet what the Spanish did to Muslims) ... yet you condemn us Cypriots for being hard on the TCs ... when compared to the Spanish we have been pussycats.

I agree on top of all that the Spanish have done a lot of harm abroad .... I did not excuse that, merely concentrating on remaining within topic, which in this case relates to Muslims in Spain or TCs in Cyprus.

[CanDiaz]

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American)

Not just south Americans .... you were the ones who would not allow Muslims to practice their religion in Spain and forbade them speaking their own language, forced them to become Catholics ... and this still took place until not too long ago.

So that's why I find it hard to believe that you are Spanish and fighting the cause of the "Muslims" in Cyprus ... unless you are one of these screwed up Muslims the Spanish are trying to honour now through the EU.

Are you honestly comparing what we did to the Moors, to what Pizarro did to the Incas or Aztec's?
You think the Muslim's had it bad in Spain? You forget about The Inquisition?
I'm not surprised you find it hard considering your a racist tool, but to me its just people, not Christian Muslim Inca Aztec, its just people because its 2008 & not 1821 or 1775 or whatever the f*ck...

Why are you as a Muslim hating Spaniard, denying what you did to the Muslims of your own country? ..

10 mins ago I was Turko, now I'm a Muslim hating Spaniard! Make up your mind, or dont. What do I care. Thanks for the rope, I dont have to use any more of mine now.

There is a lesson here, never try to debate with these clowns, just look at them falling over their own crap to try to discredit anything that is contrary to their version.

[Oracle]

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American)

Not just south Americans .... you were the ones who would not allow Muslims to practice their religion in Spain and forbade them speaking their own language, forced them to become Catholics ... and this still took place until not too long ago.

So that's why I find it hard to believe that you are Spanish and fighting the cause of the "Muslims" in Cyprus ... unless you are one of these screwed up Muslims the Spanish are trying to honour now through the EU.

Are you honestly comparing what we did to the Moors, to what Pizarro did to the Incas or Aztec's?
You think the Muslim's had it bad in Spain? You forget about The Inquisition?
I'm not surprised you find it hard considering your a racist tool, but to me its just people, not Christian Muslim Inca Aztec, its just people because its 2008 & not 1821 or 1775 or whatever the f*ck...

Why are you as a Muslim hating Spaniard, denying what you did to the Muslims of your own country? ..

10 mins ago I was Turko, now I'm a Muslim hating Spaniard! Make up your mind, or dont. What do I care. Thanks for the rope, I dont have to use any more of mine now.

There is a lesson here, never try to debate with these clowns, just look at them falling over their own crap to try to discredit anything that is contrary to their version.

I am not the one who said you are a Turk ....

I will take you at face value if you say you are Spanish.

But you seem to be excusing the Spanish for the harm they did to the Muslims on their own territory.

Hence one can safely conclude putting those two factors you have offered together .. that you are a Muslim-hating Spaniard .... Otherwise why not even once mention the plight of the Muslims in Spain?

The contradiction therefore which you are ducking and diving from explaining either to me or to those who accused you of being Turkish ... is why oppose what the GCs are trying to establish in Cyprus i.e. re-unification of their island, when the GCs have never done as much harm to the TCs in Cyprus as the Spanish have done to their own Muslim minority?

Why do you not offer part of Spain ... or even part of Cordoba Cathedral to the Muslim minority in your country?

[Piratis]

Greek-Cypriots are no more Greek than Americans are English!

Greek Cypriots are as Greek as any other Greek, and the only reason why we are not part of the Greek state is because this was denied to us.

Turks and British only won a battle in Cyprus. The war will never end until we win the right of freedom, self-determination and democracy on our own island.

Wow, incredible.

Just simple facts. Do you disagree with anything that I said above?

Admitting to wanting Union with Greece, therefore admitting you caused the Cyprus problem. Ok facts they are then.

So from the liberation struggle of the Cypriot (and the Greek people in general) you conclude that the fault lies with the oppressed people that revolted seeking their freedom, and not with those foreign empires that imposed their rule on the Cypriot people?

Would you say the same for the Greeks in all other Greek islands and territories? Would you say the same for all people oppressed under some foreign empire that revolted seeking their freedom?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above you conclude that the desire of the Cypriot people to be part of a free Greek state along with the Greeks of all other Greek islands and territories, is what caused the Cyprus problem? Really? What are you again? "Spanish"?

Not all Cypriots, are or were Greeks, so this "liberation struggle" you speak of is not a Cypriot struggle , but just a Greek Cypriots struggle.
"Oppressed people seeking their freedom", is what I imagine a minority populace like the Turks would be seeking if they were to come under the rule of Greece.(Especially considering the Ottoman conquest of Greece)
Would not a "Foreign Empire" be imposing their rule, on Turkish Cypriots, if there was an Union with Greece? Had they not already seen the possible results of this with Crete?
If you have to go back to 1821 to find your reason's, then I've got news for you, in those days it was customary to be brutal. Yes I am Spanish, why is it hard to believe that someone from another Christian country would call you a hypocrite, when your totally being one?

On 17 June 1973 the Greek Cypriot newspaper Makhi commented: "Omorphita has been conquered by Greek arms; conquered lands can never be returned."

What's good for the goose...

So according to your theories no territory under a foreign empire should be liberated because the Imperialists transferred some of their own populations in the territories being occupied?

The same way we have some Turkish minority in Cyprus they had the same kind of minorities in all other Greek islands and territories (and not only. They have the same in Bulgaria, Romania etc). Was it wrong according to you that those territories were liberated from the Ottomans and they united together to form a free Greek state?

The same happened with the Colonies of British, Spanish, French etc around the world. The people under those empires gained the right for self-determination which meant they could do whatever they wanted with their own territory, including uniting it with another territory or country. The populations of the Spanish, British, French, Ottomans etc that remained in those territories had the right for their own individual human rights, but they didn't have the right to dictate to the majority of the population what to do with their own territories.

We all know that you are a Turk, so no reason to keep hiding it by the way.

The only "theories" I put forward is that Cypriots are not just Greeks!
(Well that & the fact that Cypriots, all Cypriots, cant stop living in the past.) Of course liberation is important for people, but for all people, not one rule for you & another rule for a minority just because there are less of them.
You cant gloat about conquering & then a few years later whine about being conquered & expect to be taken seriously!

But obviously, I must be too close to the truth & the best you can do is call me a Turk.

And people of Madrid are not just Spanish. The same with people in Barcelona and all other Spanish areas. Does this mean that all those areas should have not been part of one united Spanish state? Minorities exist everywhere but the decisions about a territory are not taken by the minorities, but by the people of the territory as a whole in a democratic way.

The Turks are the ones who invaded Cyprus to enslave us. We are not the ones who brought them to Cyprus and now they would want to be "liberated" from us since we never wanted them to be our slaves neither we ever made such attempt against them. If they didn't want to respect the Cypriots and accept our democratic decisions then they simply should not have come to our island.

When foreigners come to your country (who later can gain the citizenship) don't you expect from them to respect the democratic decisions of the people of your country, no matter what those decisions are (as long as their human, democratic and minority rights are respected)?

No Cypriot ever gloated about "conquering" because Cypriots never ventured out of their own island to harm anybody. The quote you gave earlier is at the very best an intentional turkish mistranslation of an article written in Greek.

And you can continue claiming that you are Spanish if you like. Just know that nobody believe it.

[CanDiaz]

And you can continue claiming that you are Spanish if you like. Just know that nobody believe it.

It's not my fault you're a "nobody".

[Nikitas]

El Cid must be turning in his grave.