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[Oracle]

Maybe the Cypriots should have behaved more like the Spanish did with their unwanted "visitors"

[CanDiaz]

Greek-Cypriots are no more Greek than Americans are English!

Greek Cypriots are as Greek as any other Greek, and the only reason why we are not part of the Greek state is because this was denied to us.

Turks and British only won a battle in Cyprus. The war will never end until we win the right of freedom, self-determination and democracy on our own island.

Wow, incredible.

Just simple facts. Do you disagree with anything that I said above?

Admitting to wanting Union with Greece, therefore admitting you caused the Cyprus problem. Ok facts they are then.

So from the liberation struggle of the Cypriot (and the Greek people in general) you conclude that the fault lies with the oppressed people that revolted seeking their freedom, and not with those foreign empires that imposed their rule on the Cypriot people?

Would you say the same for the Greeks in all other Greek islands and territories? Would you say the same for all people oppressed under some foreign empire that revolted seeking their freedom?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above you conclude that the desire of the Cypriot people to be part of a free Greek state along with the Greeks of all other Greek islands and territories, is what caused the Cyprus problem? Really? What are you again? "Spanish"?

Not all Cypriots, are or were Greeks, so this "liberation struggle" you speak of is not a Cypriot struggle , but just a Greek Cypriots struggle.
"Oppressed people seeking their freedom", is what I imagine a minority populace like the Turks would be seeking if they were to come under the rule of Greece.(Especially considering the Ottoman conquest of Greece)
Would not a "Foreign Empire" be imposing their rule, on Turkish Cypriots, if there was an Union with Greece? Had they not already seen the possible results of this with Crete?
If you have to go back to 1821 to find your reason's, then I've got news for you, in those days it was customary to be brutal. Yes I am Spanish, why is it hard to believe that someone from another Christian country would call you a hypocrite, when your totally being one?

On 17 June 1973 the Greek Cypriot newspaper Makhi commented: "Omorphita has been conquered by Greek arms; conquered lands can never be returned."

What's good for the goose...

[pantheman]

CanDiaz,

may I ask, exactly what is your purpose on this forum? I would have thought you'd had enough shit to be discussing about the spaniards conquoring the world than to come here and try to give the GC some lectures. Do us all a favour, piss off will ya and let us deal with our own shit.

It is the meddling of the F foreigners that got us in this mess in the first place, we don't need more a**holes telling us what to do. We know what needs doing.

[Piratis]

Greek-Cypriots are no more Greek than Americans are English!

Greek Cypriots are as Greek as any other Greek, and the only reason why we are not part of the Greek state is because this was denied to us.

Turks and British only won a battle in Cyprus. The war will never end until we win the right of freedom, self-determination and democracy on our own island.

Wow, incredible.

Just simple facts. Do you disagree with anything that I said above?

Admitting to wanting Union with Greece, therefore admitting you caused the Cyprus problem. Ok facts they are then.

So from the liberation struggle of the Cypriot (and the Greek people in general) you conclude that the fault lies with the oppressed people that revolted seeking their freedom, and not with those foreign empires that imposed their rule on the Cypriot people?

Would you say the same for the Greeks in all other Greek islands and territories? Would you say the same for all people oppressed under some foreign empire that revolted seeking their freedom?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above you conclude that the desire of the Cypriot people to be part of a free Greek state along with the Greeks of all other Greek islands and territories, is what caused the Cyprus problem? Really? What are you again? "Spanish"?

Not all Cypriots, are or were Greeks, so this "liberation struggle" you speak of is not a Cypriot struggle , but just a Greek Cypriots struggle.
"Oppressed people seeking their freedom", is what I imagine a minority populace like the Turks would be seeking if they were to come under the rule of Greece.(Especially considering the Ottoman conquest of Greece)
Would not a "Foreign Empire" be imposing their rule, on Turkish Cypriots, if there was an Union with Greece? Had they not already seen the possible results of this with Crete?
If you have to go back to 1821 to find your reason's, then I've got news for you, in those days it was customary to be brutal. Yes I am Spanish, why is it hard to believe that someone from another Christian country would call you a hypocrite, when your totally being one?

On 17 June 1973 the Greek Cypriot newspaper Makhi commented: "Omorphita has been conquered by Greek arms; conquered lands can never be returned."

What's good for the goose...

So according to your theories no territory under a foreign empire should be liberated because the Imperialists transferred some of their own populations in the territories being occupied?

The same way we have some Turkish minority in Cyprus they had the same kind of minorities in all other Greek islands and territories (and not only. They have the same in Bulgaria, Romania etc). Was it wrong according to you that those territories were liberated from the Ottomans and they united together to form a free Greek state?

The same happened with the Colonies of British, Spanish, French etc around the world. The people under those empires gained the right for self-determination which meant they could do whatever they wanted with their own territory, including uniting it with another territory or country. The populations of the Spanish, British, French, Ottomans etc that remained in those territories had the right for their own individual human rights, but they didn't have the right to dictate to the majority of the population what to do with their own territories.

We all know that you are a Turk, so no reason to keep hiding it by the way.

[CanDiaz]

CanDiaz,

may I ask, exactly what is your purpose on this forum? I would have thought you'd had enough shit to be discussing about the spaniards conquoring the world than to come here and try to give the GC some lectures. Do us all a favour, piss off will ya and let us deal with our own shit.

It is the meddling of the F foreigners that got us in this mess in the first place, we don't need more a**holes telling us what to do. We know what needs doing.

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American) but we have admitted to our faults & evils & left them in the pass where they belong. We tore ourselves apart over them, still do time to time & Our history has taught us that you cant build a life on lies.
Must I have permission from you to post in this forum? Do you want me to piss off because I said something that hit too close to the truth? Is that why I'm a F Foreigner & an a**hole?
Why is this your defence when ever someone confronts you with the evils of your past?Why not debate me on them instead calling me names & tell me I don't belong?
You know what needs doing? I doubt you know where your front door is.

[CanDiaz]

Greek-Cypriots are no more Greek than Americans are English!

Greek Cypriots are as Greek as any other Greek, and the only reason why we are not part of the Greek state is because this was denied to us.

Turks and British only won a battle in Cyprus. The war will never end until we win the right of freedom, self-determination and democracy on our own island.

Wow, incredible.

Just simple facts. Do you disagree with anything that I said above?

Admitting to wanting Union with Greece, therefore admitting you caused the Cyprus problem. Ok facts they are then.

So from the liberation struggle of the Cypriot (and the Greek people in general) you conclude that the fault lies with the oppressed people that revolted seeking their freedom, and not with those foreign empires that imposed their rule on the Cypriot people?

Would you say the same for the Greeks in all other Greek islands and territories? Would you say the same for all people oppressed under some foreign empire that revolted seeking their freedom?

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above you conclude that the desire of the Cypriot people to be part of a free Greek state along with the Greeks of all other Greek islands and territories, is what caused the Cyprus problem? Really? What are you again? "Spanish"?

Not all Cypriots, are or were Greeks, so this "liberation struggle" you speak of is not a Cypriot struggle , but just a Greek Cypriots struggle.
"Oppressed people seeking their freedom", is what I imagine a minority populace like the Turks would be seeking if they were to come under the rule of Greece.(Especially considering the Ottoman conquest of Greece)
Would not a "Foreign Empire" be imposing their rule, on Turkish Cypriots, if there was an Union with Greece? Had they not already seen the possible results of this with Crete?
If you have to go back to 1821 to find your reason's, then I've got news for you, in those days it was customary to be brutal. Yes I am Spanish, why is it hard to believe that someone from another Christian country would call you a hypocrite, when your totally being one?

On 17 June 1973 the Greek Cypriot newspaper Makhi commented: "Omorphita has been conquered by Greek arms; conquered lands can never be returned."

What's good for the goose...

So according to your theories no territory under a foreign empire should be liberated because the Imperialists transferred some of their own populations in the territories being occupied?

The same way we have some Turkish minority in Cyprus they had the same kind of minorities in all other Greek islands and territories (and not only. They have the same in Bulgaria, Romania etc). Was it wrong according to you that those territories were liberated from the Ottomans and they united together to form a free Greek state?

The same happened with the Colonies of British, Spanish, French etc around the world. The people under those empires gained the right for self-determination which meant they could do whatever they wanted with their own territory, including uniting it with another territory or country. The populations of the Spanish, British, French, Ottomans etc that remained in those territories had the right for their own individual human rights, but they didn't have the right to dictate to the majority of the population what to do with their own territories.

We all know that you are a Turk, so no reason to keep hiding it by the way.

The only "theories" I put forward is that Cypriots are not just Greeks!
(Well that & the fact that Cypriots, all Cypriots, cant stop living in the past.) Of course liberation is important for people, but for all people, not one rule for you & another rule for a minority just because there are less of them.
You cant gloat about conquering & then a few years later whine about being conquered & expect to be taken seriously!

But obviously, I must be too close to the truth & the best you can do is call me a Turk.

[pantheman]

CanDiaz,

may I ask, exactly what is your purpose on this forum? I would have thought you'd had enough shit to be discussing about the spaniards conquoring the world than to come here and try to give the GC some lectures. Do us all a favour, piss off will ya and let us deal with our own shit.

It is the meddling of the F foreigners that got us in this mess in the first place, we don't need more a**holes telling us what to do. We know what needs doing.

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American) but we have admitted to our faults & evils & left them in the pass where they belong. We tore ourselves apart over them, still do time to time & Our history has taught us that you cant build a life on lies.
Must I have permission from you to post in this forum? Do you want me to piss off because I said something that hit too close to the truth? Is that why I'm a F Foreigner & an a**hole?
Why is this your defence when ever someone confronts you with the evils of your past?Why not debate me on them instead calling me names & tell me I don't belong?
You know what needs doing? I doubt you know where your front door is.

The way I see it, you are either a Turk in disguise or just a sad case eitherway, you have no connection, losses, history, feelings about this nation. why do you see fit to come and beat on the GCs. Why have you chosen the TC/TR line? I wonder. Of all the forums in the world, you just happened to find this one and you just happened to see the ills of the GC! Well, I smell a rat compardre.

Why not go discuss the ills of your own contrymen and the Aztecs since you seems to align yourself very well with barbarians and invaders. Thats probably why in your eyes Tr has done no wrong.

[Oracle]

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American)

Not just south Americans .... you were the ones who would not allow Muslims to practice their religion in Spain and forbade them speaking their own language, forced them to become Catholics ... and this still took place until not too long ago.

So that's why I find it hard to believe that you are Spanish and fighting the cause of the "Muslims" in Cyprus ... unless you are one of these screwed up Muslims the Spanish are trying to honour now through the EU.

[CanDiaz]

CanDiaz,

may I ask, exactly what is your purpose on this forum? I would have thought you'd had enough shit to be discussing about the spaniards conquoring the world than to come here and try to give the GC some lectures. Do us all a favour, piss off will ya and let us deal with our own shit.

It is the meddling of the F foreigners that got us in this mess in the first place, we don't need more a**holes telling us what to do. We know what needs doing.

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American) but we have admitted to our faults & evils & left them in the pass where they belong. We tore ourselves apart over them, still do time to time & Our history has taught us that you cant build a life on lies.
Must I have permission from you to post in this forum? Do you want me to piss off because I said something that hit too close to the truth? Is that why I'm a F Foreigner & an a**hole?
Why is this your defence when ever someone confronts you with the evils of your past?Why not debate me on them instead calling me names & tell me I don't belong?
You know what needs doing? I doubt you know where your front door is.

The way I see it, you are either a Turk in disguise or just a sad case eitherway, you have no connection, losses, history, feelings about this nation. why do you see fit to come and beat on the GCs. Why have you chosen the TC/TR line? I wonder. Of all the forums in the world, you just happened to find this one and you just happened to see the ills of the GC! Well, I smell a rat compardre.

Why not go discuss the ills of your own contrymen and the Aztecs since you seems to align yourself very well with barbarians and invaders. Thats probably why in your eyes Tr has done no wrong.

Why quote me if your comment has no relevance to it? You could have just wrote this without quoting me & a 3 legged blind dog would have known what your drift was! You say I have no connection or reason for being here, but a quick use of the search facility here would have answered those curiosities you have of me.
I haven't chosen any side.( again a search would have shown this) Of all the forums in the world, I'm here for a reason( which again a search would have revealed) I don't just see the ills of the Greek Cypriots, I just see hypocrisy & unreasonable excuses for hatred. Turkey has done many wrongs, this is undeniable.But who hasn't? Even some Greeks sided with Hitler & helped him round up the undesirables for his Concentration camps.
Our own Franco used the Germans & some Italians to carpet bomb Guernica in our civil war! We all side with Barbarians & Invaders somewhere in our past.
But as you don't have the balls do debate this like someone who knows where their car is parked( never mind using a forum properly) then i leave you to wallow in the quagmire that is your capacity for reason.
Adieu.

[CanDiaz]

Yes we Spanish are as bad as everyone else( a lot worse if you ask any South American)

Not just south Americans .... you were the ones who would not allow Muslims to practice their religion in Spain and forbade them speaking their own language, forced them to become Catholics ... and this still took place until not too long ago.

So that's why I find it hard to believe that you are Spanish and fighting the cause of the "Muslims" in Cyprus ... unless you are one of these screwed up Muslims the Spanish are trying to honour now through the EU.

Only someone like you would compare what we did to the Moors, to what Pizarro did to the Incas or Aztec's?
You think the Muslim's had it bad in Spain? You forget about The Inquisition?
I'm not surprised you find it hard considering you're a racist tool, but to me its just people, not Christian Muslim Inca Aztec, its just people because its 2008 & not 1821 or 1775 or whatever the f*ck...