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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:09 pm

Bananiot wrote:You have a conveniently short memory Kifeas. However, you do know of course that Fried did say those things, in front of the Greek lobby! If you were Fried would you say thes things? Perhaps you would, if you wanted the Greek Cypriots to say no.


Bananiot, it is a well known fact that the Turks secured (before the New York agreement was concluded,) that Kofi Annan's arbitration would have taken into consideration and would have facilitated their so-called red lines, through the Americans and probably through the meeting Erdogan had with Bush a few days earlier. Otherwise, Erdogan wouldn't have given his orders to Denkatsh to accept it, knowing that in such a blank check scenario, without the appropriate assurances from the US, his head would have been chopped by the generals in Turkey. This is something that even the stones, set aside those with a gram of brain know already! As for Fried, perhaps if he was drunk, he may have let his tongue to slip a bit. I do not know, nor I was there; nevertheless, I do not care as I do not need Daniel Fried's revelations to have an opinion as to what happened around the Annan plan, and the role the Americans (and the British) had played! And yes, the alleged thing with D. Fried occurred after the referendums, therefore it did not play a role in the outcome! You are just distrorting things!
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:14 pm

Bananiot wrote:Makarios Droushiotis does not count CBBB! He was buried by all TV stations during 2004 and all the noise back then came from the rejectionists who voted for the Turkish army to stay forever in Cyprus and they are proud for it too!

You see, when you cover your stupidity with patriotism (we lost a battle but we will win the war) you can be excused whatever wrong you do. This is how third world Cyprus works, unfortunately.

The amount of time and ink used to press on what Fried allegedly said in 2003 was phenomenal. Yet, the forum patriots are quite happy to be served lies. At the same time it is revealed that Rauf Denktash was expecting the army generals to step in, had the Plan got through.

Well, I did not vote as Denktash did and I am proud of it. The forum patriots can say "evet" to Denktash who, greatly relieved after our resounding "no", thanked God for the way we voted.


Since when is freedom, democracy and human rights wrong and stupid bananiot? If people stopped fighting for what is right just because it was difficult then we would still live in the middle ages with slavery as the norm.

Denktash beliefs are very close to yours by the way. He wants partition, you accept partition, just not the version he prefers.
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Postby Simon » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:11 pm

CanDiaz,

What is incredible? The truth?
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:21 pm

You do have a short memory indeed Kifeas. May I remind you that Lazaros Mavros referred to the alleged statement ad nauseum, and "Simerini" columnist Savvas Iacovides has referred to Fried on numerous occasions.

I am glad you did not need the allegation to decide what was proper but of course the layman was quite impressed by the clever revelation that came straight out of the horse's mouth and which reiterated what you knew that the USA was selling Cyprus in order to appease Turkey.

Now, though, I am getting wiser and I realise that when countries of the likes of the US and the UK and a few others have been plotting the downfall of Cyprus, it must be the heroic struggle of the likes of Piratis that has kept Cyprus almost intact through the eons.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:46 pm

Bananiot wrote:You do have a short memory indeed Kifeas. May I remind you that Lazaros Mavros referred to the alleged statement ad nauseum, and "Simerini" columnist Savvas Iacovides has referred to Fried on numerous occasions.

I am glad you did not need the allegation to decide what was proper but of course the layman was quite impressed by the clever revelation that came straight out of the horse's mouth and which reiterated what you knew that the USA was selling Cyprus in order to appease Turkey.

Now, though, I am getting wiser and I realise that when countries of the likes of the US and the UK and a few others have been plotting the downfall of Cyprus, it must be the heroic struggle of the likes of Piratis that has kept Cyprus almost intact through the eons.


No Bananiot, it wasn't Pirati’s heroic struggle, but our good relations with the Russians, the French and the Chinese, as well as the fact that Cyprus became a member of the EU at the time, that has kept Cyprus intact! If it was only down to the Anglo-American desires and aims, I have no doubt the Turks would have already gotten what they wanted, long time ago!
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:52 pm

Yet, it was the Americans that saved our skin on two occasions prior to 1974. In August 1964 and in 1967 we again invited Turkey to come but the dreaded Americans stopped the Turks in their tracks. You can accuse them as much as you like, for spoiling us!
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:07 pm

Bananiot wrote:Yet, it was the Americans that saved our skin on two occasions prior to 1974. In August 1964 and in 1967 we again invited Turkey to come but the dreaded Americans stopped the Turks in their tracks. You can accuse them as much as you like, for spoiling us!


Oh Bananiot, perhaps you may also go as far back as the years of the Greek revolution, and tell us how the British helped the Greeks win their independence! Well, perhaps you want me to remind your that it was the fear of the Americans of a Greco-Turkish war, and the threats of the soviets to intervene, that prompted the Americans to cancel Turkey's plans; and not so much their special concern for our fait, or because they necessarily wanted to spoil the dinner of the Turks!

As for us inviting Turkey in Cyprus, I only know one who has been inviting them on a constant basis, and this was the TC nationalists within the TC community, if that is what you meant! I know of nobody else that had been inviting them!
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Postby CBBB » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:21 pm

I would like to know why we think we are so special in Cyprus and everybody should be fair with us.

We have never been fair with anyone. We always treat situations according to our own interests.

When Saddam invaded Kuwait, how long did it take us to condemn this? We should have been the first ones to have a go, but we had a good oil deal at the time, so we dragged it out as long as we could before making a half-hearted condemnation of the situation.
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Postby Muzzy70 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:24 am

Piratis wrote:
Greek-Cypriots are no more Greek than Americans are English!


Greek Cypriots are as Greek as any other Greek, and the only reason why we are not part of the Greek state is because this was denied to us.

Turks and British only won a battle in Cyprus. The war will never end until we win the right of freedom, self-determination and democracy on our own island.


Crikey, Parasite is on top form here folks ! He and his ilk keep on harping on about what Cypriots they are and he then effectively says that Greek Cypriots are Greek ! Leave the island then and join your fellow countrymen of Hellas.

I'll never forget a conversation that I had with a Greek girl from Selanik at university a few years ago. She said that like most Greeks she did not consider Greek Cypriots to be Greek. In fact she referred to them as, and I quote, 'Spoilt scum'. Says it all I guess.

By the way Bananiot is right. I'm not surprised he's been shot down by the Oxi lovers. Yes, extra attention was given to bringing Turkey and the TC's on side at the time of the previous negotiations prior to the referendum, but that was because a GC yes vote was taken as a given by the international community. The GC's had been harping on about re-unification for years and Papaplop gave a guarantee that he would deliver his community in a yes vote. Typically the two faced fascist reneged on this and cried his eyes out. The world was hoodwinked by your community's refusal to agree to the re-unification of Cyprus. I'm telling you now that over the next few years your refusal to accept the plan will be regarded as yet another 'disaster' that has befallen your community, one which like all of the others you could have prevented. I did not like certain elements of the Annan Plan but at least I had the political maturity to accept that at the end of the day it was a compromise, however bitter a pill. If you lot carry on wanting to eat all of the cake, then prepare for the next inevitable disaster for you, the recognition of the TRNC. I know I'll get a lot of the usual 'recognition's not going to happen' nonsensense and 'if we say no next time the TC's will continue to live in isolation' but wake up and see that we're coming to the end of a very long drawn out game whereby failure of the upcoming talks will lead to only one conclusion.

'Remove your life jacket and everything will be allright'.
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