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[Oracle]

.... Perhaps Turkey is more clever than I ever thought ...

Do not worry about Turkey's ingenuity ..... if they were clever, half of Cyprus would have been theirs by now ...... they have the brawn!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18754

[Andros]

Piratis,

Carry on believing what you think is right as your attitude and delusional scenario will one result in the following:

A predominantly Turkish populated island, the ROC completely dissolved and a United Rep of Cyprus that is partitioned in such a way that the EU will view it as like another IRELAND; in other words, Northern Ireland and part of the UK, like the Turkish Cypriot State as part of Turkey, and the Greek Cypriot State seen as a SUCCESSIONIST of TURKEY. Why? Because we all know Turkey will never be a part of the EU. Therefore, a sign and sealed Turkish Cypriot Con State and a dissolved Rep of Cyprus, with the 1959 agreements thrown in the bin, will pave the way for Turkey to do what it likes. Carry on arguing this with me my fellow friends, as one day you will argue this with your children and grand-children, but by hitting your heads on a turkish man Casino wall!!!

You may think I'm a little crazy for saying that, but think about the bigger picture!!!!

Also, I gave that example regarding the Meaning of Fed' for one very simple reason - THE UN ARE ALSO REFERENCING TO IT!!!!!!

Our idea of a United Cyprus Republic is not the same as how the UN, UK, US and Turkey see it.

The ball is presently in our court - don't lead our people into a war zone.

Your words may appear to make sense for an instant, but you lack the foresight needed to wrap an overall resolution to the Cyprus problem. As usual, and like the 1960 Republic of Cyprus agreement, a MISTAKE is again on its way.

EQUALITY, TWO CONSTITUENT STATES, LOOSE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ETC, ETC - GIVE IT A BREAK D.T AND ALL - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES - TURKEY MUST BE LAUGHING ITS HEAD OFF!!!!!

[Filitsa]

Book Meaning of Federalism

A federal structure has two systems of governments - the centre and the regions - both exist on the basis of equality, both act directly on the people within their own spheres of authority and neither has powers to encroach on the authority of the other. The sovereignty in a federal system is divided between the centre and the federated regions. Authors for federalism identify the following main features:


1. A written constitution that spells out the division of powers of the two systems of government – the centre and the regions.

2. A bicameral parliament in which one chamber represents the people at large and the other the constituent regions of the federation. The chamber that represents the constituent regions of the federation has equal number of members per region regardless of the size of the region.

3. The amendment to the federal constitution requires the consent of the regions, thus removing the monopoly of the central government in the amendment process.

4. Federated regions are given authority to write their own constitutions within their allotted powers and to alter their constitutions unilaterally.

5. Federated regions have permanent and guaranteed autonomy.

6. Regional governments’ share of powers is relatively large in federations in comparison with that of regional governments in unitary states.


Please tell me if the above is exactly what you are all venting for Cyprus. Is this the "BOOK" solution that we are seeking, as this is exactly how the EU, UK, UK and the U.S see it.

The federal constitution must be the supreme law of the land to which the constitutions of the constituent states must yield.

Regarding #3, the amendment to the federal constitution should require the consent of the regions, thus removing the monopoly of the central government in the amendment process and ensuring minority rights, and the consent of the chamber that represents the people at large, thus ensuring majority rule.

[Bananiot]

Federation is very hard to stomach. Look at the EE, where less than 1% of the population are stalling the process. Even the USA where all speak the same language, federation went through a turmoil. Federation was achieved after a bloody civil war and as a result, two important points were answered.

[Filitsa]

Federation is very hard to stomach. Look at the EE, where less than 1% of the population are stalling the process.

Bananiot, I think the problem here lies more specifically within the voting/electoral process and not necessarily with federation as a whole.

Even the USA where all speak the same language, federation went through a turmoil. Federation was achieved after a bloody civil war and as a result, two important points were answered.

Cyprus has already had its civil war, so to speak, Bananiot, now let's move on.

What were the "two important points" that were answered?

[Expatkiwi]

So much for the cautious optimism of the news media regarding the Cyprus problem, if what I have been reading on this forum as of late is any indication. It looks like whatever Christofas and Talat agree upon, the populace of the island at large is going to resume being at logger-heads. For Cyprus to survive as an independent state, there is going to have to be a change of attitudes, and from what I have been seeing coming from Oracle for example, is it any wonder why I think partition is the only answer?

Don't get me wrong: I support TRNC independence because I think it is the best way to stop the intercommunal violence restarting (and FYI I do NOT support annexation of the TRNC to the Turkish Republic). If however, a solution to the impass comes about and a unified state that has a chance of succeeding results, I will be the first to cheer. However, being the cynic that I am, I really can't see it happening...

[Bananiot]

The two points that were answered were (1) whether the federal laws stand above the laws of the states and (2) whether some states can actually defect, leave, the federation.

[Piratis]

The two points that were answered were (1) whether the federal laws stand above the laws of the states and (2) whether some states can actually defect, leave, the federation.

Those points were answered in the way they did because because the ones who supported those points managed to enforce them. In Cyprus we are the weak side. If we allow anything to be vague and not 100% clear, then in the near future it will be answered in the "Turkish way".

[Bananiot]

In our case, cessation is an option that we do not want to consider. However, being spoilt brats, at the back of our mind we probably want this option for ourselves only.

[roseandchan]

i would like to see a united cyprus. this federal idea i find worrying. as a brit in the north, without a vote but also as a european citizen who is entitled to a vote. i have no problem living in a region where it would be under the control of the north, but i do expect my e.u rights.as do many other tax paying expats here. in the event of any vote our voices should also be heard. i do see a problem with turkey as turkey has invested heavily in the north, lots of cypriots owe money to the turkish bank, turkey already has a large stake in the north.