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[Z4]

by this post you have shown that you have never been to ercan. modern airport better than anything in the south!

But a load more flights coming in and out from the South though!

[denizaksulu]

If Talat would remve the Flags off the mountain, I think it would be a great gesture. Flags should never be on the ground to begin with.

Has Talat got the guts to do so.

[paliometoxo]

well said deniz, remove the mountain turkish flags

[roseandchan]

maybe they could plant olive trees in its place. holding out the olive branch as a show of friendship.

[Sotos]

as the both sides are now talking of a solution. what good will gesture would most show that they are serious and not just talk?

from the north i think that they should stop estate agents selling exchange land until a solution.
from the south allow direct flights into ercan,( not via turkey )

what do other members think?

We made many good will gestures. Like giving to TCs RoC IDs and passports, giving them free health care and other benefits and working our ass of to put Cyprus in EU so now they can also benefit from it. And the TCs want us to indirectly recognize their pseudo state so they will stop the CRIME of selling our land??

[roseandchan]

most tc's i know wouldn't ask you for passports or accept your free health care. you didn't work your ass of to get into the e.u, you conned your way in. so tell me about all those benefits the roc and the e.u have been giving the tc's? i'm sure they would love to know. i don't see much evidence off it.

[DT.]

now our leaders are talking about new Cyprus Federal republic .

you are still talking who is legal or illegal .

there will be 2 equal states in Cyprus . single identity , single sovereignty.

every states will control their own airports or customs .
every state will be free how to rule their own states but for economy and regulations they will work together .

no more ROC or TRNC sirs .................. New fedareal states of Cyprus ....

what we are talking now

You're confusing a federation with a confederation Halil. The Federal Republic will be a continuation of the Republic of Cyprus with a strong central govt controlling all ports and customs.

Until then, Tymbou (ercan) is an illegal airport.

FYI roseandchan I advise you to go to the airport website and have a look at the new airport approaching completion. The closest comparison can only be that of the Dubai International

http://www.cyprusairports.com.cy/

[Paphitis]

now our leaders are talking about new Cyprus Federal republic .

you are still talking who is legal or illegal .

there will be 2 equal states in Cyprus . single identity , single sovereignty.

every states will control their own airports or customes .
every state will be free how to rule their own states but for economy and regulations they will work together .
no more ROC or TRNC sirs .................. New fedareal states of Cyprus ....

what we are talking now

What a joke.

Tymbou Airport will never be allowed to have direct flights because it is not under the control of the Cyprus Government. It is declared an illegal port of entry and this can not change as it will result in an upgrading of the illegal "trnc" regime.

Use of Illegal Airports “ERCAN” (TYMBOU)


1. “ERCAN” (TYMBOU) is a closed airport situated in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus, which the Government of Cyprus, as the sole legitimate and internationally recognized authority on the island, has declared since 1974 as an illegal point of entry into and exit from the Republic of Cyprus, for the reason of not being able to exercise control over the occupied part of its territory, as a result of the continuing Turkish military occupation. Under International law the Republic of Cyprus is the sole sovereign authority with exclusive jurisdiction to determine which of its airports on its territory are open and functioning, as well as the terms of their operation.

2. It is also important to note that “ERCAN” is located on property belonging to a significant number of Greek Cypriot refugees who were forcibly expelled from their properties by the invasion forces. These refugees still remain the legal owners of their properties and they have never consented for the construction of the airport and its use as such. In that regard reference is made to the cases of Loizidou vs Turkey and Xenides-Arestis vs Turkey in which the European Court of Human Rights held that the applicants remain the legal owners of their property in the occupied areas and that Turkey continues to be in breach of Article 1, Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

3. The so-called “ERCAN” airport is not recognized by ICAO, which is the highest international authority on legal issues relating to civil aviation in general. ICAO’s policy on matters relating to Cyprus is in conformity with that of the United Nations and the international community. Consequently, ICAO recognizes only the Republic of Cyprus and its Government as the sole representative of the whole island. It should also be stressed that according to ICAO decisions of 1974, 1975 and 1977, a country not exercising temporarily effective control over its territory by reason of military occupation, does not lose its sovereign rights over such territory and the airspace above it.

4. Furthermore, Turkey, in violation of the Chicago Convention on the International Civil Aviation, the constitutional instrument of ICAO, and its Annexes, to which 188 countries, including the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, are States-Parties to and following a number of illegal acts after the Turkish invasion, proclaimed the establishment of “Ercan advisory service” which lies in the northern part of Nicosia FIR. The illegal operation of the unrecognized “ERCAN advisory service” causes serious risks over safety, flight efficiency and airspace development in the region and in particular increased workload and inconvenience both for aircrews and Nicosia ACC Controllers and leads to misunderstandings due to the intervention in the provision of Air Traffic Control Services. Ankara ACC should be called upon to adopt standard ICAO procedures and transfer southbound traffic to the contiguous Nicosia control and to take practical steps for the restoration of the voice link between Ankara and Nicosia ACC's.

5. Any possible use by international traffic, of the illegally operating airports, such as “ERCAN” (TYMPOU), violates International law, U.N. Security Council resolutions, E.U. positions and contravenes the ICAO and the EUROCONTROL Conventions, and their respective norms, standards, procedures and recommended practices.

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/embassies/emb ... enDocument

And safety concerns from pilots and Eurocontrol:

Eurocontrol concerned about illegal airport in occupied Cyprus
16 November, 2006

The existence of the illegally operating airport in Turkish-occupied Cyprus creates problems in air safety, notes Eurocontrol, calling for an international meeting to take place in order to end practices applied by Turkey and the illegal airport authorities.

In statements to CNA Thursday, on the sidelines of an International Seminar on air safety, Eurocontrol Deputy Director of ATM Strategies, Lex
Hendriks, stressed that the airline industry and the pilots express concern over the existence of the illegal airport (Ercan), which confuses pilots and threatens air safety.

"I am a pilot myself and very often I fly through this region. The airline industry and the pilots are very concerned about the inadequate interfaces between Cyprus and its northern neighbour Turkey, because of the introduction of an ATC service (in occupied Cyprus) that is not recognized by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)", he said.

The Eurocontrol official said that no matter how politically sensitive this issue is, it
must be resolved since "it is a potentially unsafe situation".

''We cannot leave this hanging, it has to be resolved, it is a potentially unsafe situation and I know it is politically very sensitive but we should address it and resolve it'', Hendriks told a seminar on air safety Thursday.

Answering questions by CNA, he explained that Turkey requests from all aircraft flying from Turkey to the airspace of Cyprus to call the illegal airport in the Turkish occupied areas of Cyprus for further instructions.

Most pilots, he said, are well aware of the situation with the illegal airport and ask for instructions from the internationally recognized airport of Larnaca, but there are others who do not know enough about the situation.

"It is very unsafe to have two different radios in Cyprus", he warned.
Hendriks called for "an international seminar to take place on the highest level so that a solution is found to stop Turkey's and Ercan's practices".

He told CNA that the whole situation is causing great concern among pilots.
Answering a question, Hendriks said that although Turkey refuses to recognize the Republic of Cyprus, the issue needs to be addressed, since air traffic in Cyprus will increase year by year.

Since 1974 the Republic of Cyprus is divided by Turkish troops, which occupy one third of the island's territory.

Turkey, a country aspiring to enter the EU, is refusing to recognize Cyprus.
In November 1983 Turkey proclaimed a self-styled regime in the northern occupied areas, which only Ankara recognizes.

Only the centralised Federal Government can ever Control Airports and Customs. This is what happens in every Federation worldwide. ICAO will never allow a federated state to be the legal authority over an airport!

[DT.]

most tc's i know wouldn't ask you for passports or accept your free health care. you didn't work your ass of to get into the e.u, you conned your way in. so tell me about all those benefits the roc and the e.u have been giving the tc's? i'm sure they would love to know. i don't see much evidence off it.

why would you say we conned our way into Europe? Most of our chapters were closed before anyone else, our economy complied, our laws complied....were do you base this on?

[Tim Drayton]

If Talat would remve the Flags off the mountain, I think it would be a great gesture. Flags should never be on the ground to begin with.

Has Talat got the guts to do so.

Perhaps I am misinformed, but I understand that these flags are financed by a private organisation. Here is their website:

http://www.kktcbayrak.org/

If so, there is nothing that Talat can do, short of declare this organisation to be illegal.