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by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:32 pm

Kifeas wrote:It is not a case in which, first I break your home, then I rape you, I make you pregnant, and then I demand that you also carry the pregnancy along (no abortion is allowed,) give birth to my child, which you will also have to bring up as well, without me having any further responsibility! These things happen only in Turkey!

Yet again, you demonstrate your ignorance of Turkey. Abortion is permitted under articles 5 and 6 of law number 2827.

http://www.kentli.org/yasa/2827.htm

The situation you describe sounds pretty much like what would happen under Sharia law, which Mustafa Kemal abolished in Turkey in 1924.

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:40 pm

I was too kind to Sharia law in the above post. In Saudi Arabia, rape victims are not only denied abortion, but they are also lashed for committing adultery:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/16/africa/saudi.php

This is what Mustafa Kemal liberated the Turkish people from. That's fascism?

by **Kifeas** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:42 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kifeas wrote:It is not a case in which, first I break your home, then I rape you, I make you pregnant, and then I demand that you also carry the pregnancy along (no abortion is allowed,) give birth to my child, which you will also have to bring up as well, without me having any further responsibility! These things happen only in Turkey!

Yet again, you demonstrate your ignorance of Turkey. Abortion is permitted under articles 5 and 6 of law number 2827.

http://www.kentli.org/yasa/2827.htm

The situation you describe sounds pretty much like what would happen under Sharia law, which Mustafa Kemal abolished in Turkey in 1924.

Well, as far as I am concerned, this is precisely what the Turkish side wants us to concede to, in relation to the settler's issue!

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:45 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Kifeas wrote:It is not a case in which, first I break your home, then I rape you, I make you pregnant, and then I demand that you also carry the pregnancy along (no abortion is allowed,) give birth to my child, which you will also have to bring up as well, without me having any further responsibility! These things happen only in Turkey!

Yet again, you demonstrate your ignorance of Turkey. Abortion is permitted under articles 5 and 6 of law number 2827.

http://www.kentli.org/yasa/2827.htm

The situation you describe sounds pretty much like what would happen under Sharia law, which Mustafa Kemal abolished in Turkey in 1924.

Well, as far as I am concerned, this is precisely what the Turkish side wants us to concede to, in relation to the settler's issue!

Oh, I see. This is an analogy. You are not suggesting that rape victims are forced to bear the rapist's child in Turkey.

by **Kifeas** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:54 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I was too kind to Sharia law in the above post. In Saudi Arabia, rape victims are not only denied abortion, but they are also lashed for committing adultery:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/16/africa/saudi.php

This is what Mustafa Kemal liberated the Turkish people from. That's fascism?

Tim, when criticizing Kemalism and the Kemalist style of "democracy," we only do so by comparing it with the western liberal democracies and ideologies, simply because this is the direction to which the Turks wish or claim to be aiming; and not with the primitive societies of the middle or the far east or Africa! Such societies or regimes are not simply fascist, but way beyond that!