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Postby cannedmoose » Sun May 08, 2005 5:54 pm

sk wrote:thanks cannedmoose!!!
if you got such a behaviour "treatment "in glasgow,just imagine what i will get,when once i was listening to a scottish guy talking(didnt know he was scottish) and i asked by british friend if he could understand what language he was talking too.....imagine my shock when my friend started laughing and said that the guy was talking in english!!! :shock: :) :)


Sk, if you're not English, you'll probably get a better reception. Some Scots continue to have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the English and feel that the only way to assert their identity is to hate everything and everyone from south of the border. I was with my wife (who is GC) and she was routinely treated far more courteously than I was. So much for a 'United Kingdom' :lol:
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Postby flighty » Sun May 08, 2005 6:52 pm

Dear or dear......what a bunch of politically correct do-gooders you lot are.

Wake up and smell the bullsh*t. You are so oblivious to what goes on in the real world, it is pathetic.

Oh, and as for me being a refugee here in Cyprus, don't think so. I didn't leave Scotland because I was afraid or living in fear......I actually left Scotland because I was fed up with my tax money paying for asylum seekers government benefits - yes, including free rent, giros (free cash for those who don't know) and free cars! I happen to know what I am talking about, I used to work for the DSS (dept of social security) so I know what these people get for zilch!

For the rest of you who resorted to throwing insults against Scottish people, get it up ye! I am proud to be Scottish, we are the most loved nation in the world, bar none! Oh, and we are also a nation who stand up for what we believe and we would NEVER let our neighbours march up and take our land. Think on Cypriots, maybe if you had half the courage that the Scots have, your country would be your own and you wouldn't have this chip on your shoulder!

I first posted in this thread to show my sympathy for Cyprus because of what the Turks did, but forget it - it's wasted on you.

C'mon the TURKS!!!

Don't bother replying, you are all very boring and I am shit-canning this forum.

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Postby davidp » Sun May 08, 2005 8:27 pm

For the rest of you who resorted to throwing insults against Scottish people, get it up ye! I am proud to be Scottish, we are the most loved nation in the world, bar none! Oh, and we are also a nation who stand up for what we believe and we would NEVER let our neighbours march up and take our land. Think on Cypriots, maybe if you had half the courage that the Scots have, your country would be your own and you wouldn't have this chip on your shoulder!

Sorry kid, the English took your land, Slaughtered your clans, gave you north sea oil and your own parliament.

i'm not proud of some of it but it happened
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Postby sk » Mon May 09, 2005 12:36 am

@flighty
is it really that bad?to tell the truth i am afraid also that in cyprus we do accept a lot of immigrants ......maybe we should accept less or put some conditions.....for example in the nederlands immigrants have to take a language exam before they are given permission to stay,in hungary you have to take hungarian history exam ,and i am sure other countries must have similar rules......what is the need in cyprus of unconditionally accepting so many immigrants without any apparent reason?
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 09, 2005 1:47 am

what is the need in cyprus of unconditionally accepting so many immigrants without any apparent reason?


Asylum: a status offered by one nation to a citizen of another nation, because the individual fears harm from the nation of origin.


Asylum is given only to those that in their country they can be harmed for unfair reasons. E.g. To a woman in an African country that became pregnant while she was unmarried and she faces the death penalty if she returns.

However most of the asylum seekers are in reality economic immigrants seeking a better life. They seek asylum for the only reason that the receiving country has to investigate their claims before they deport them and this procedure gives them time to work and earn some money. In the end though, their application for asylum is rejected (this is what happens in the 99% of the cases).

Cyprus can not deport these people right away before investigating their claims because of that 1% true cases.

flighty said something about Russians and Lithuanians. The Russians she referred to are Pontians with Greek citizenship = EU citizens. The Lithuanians are also EU citizens. Therefore they can be in Cyprus or in Scotland if they wish and nobody can prohibit them.
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Postby devil » Mon May 09, 2005 11:46 am

sk wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: x 99999999999999999999!!!!!
and just think that i was thinking of moving to scotland to do my specialization as a doctor!!!i am having second thoughts now....one thing that i always check before i move to a new place is crime rate.....and its not very encouraging as i can see.....does someone knows any websites where there is info about crime rate in scotland?


You will have no problem in Edinburgh which has the arguably best medical school and facilities in the UK. It is a very bourgeois city with a low crime rate compared to the more industrial cities like Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen etc. and is still small enough to have a human dimension, which is helped by being over 50% unbuilt with parks and even wild hills, even in the inner city. Of course, there are some places better to avoid at night, especially the slum clearance re-housing areas in the outer city. And most of the population speak an understandable form of English, more or less !! :lol: :lol:

Oh, to answer another question, I'm 73!
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Postby cannedmoose » Mon May 09, 2005 7:08 pm

flighty wrote:Dear or dear......what a bunch of politically correct do-gooders you lot are.


We're not politically correct, we just don't have a sack of potatoes sitting on our shoulders...

flighty wrote:Wake up and smell the bullsh*t. You are so oblivious to what goes on in the real world, it is pathetic.


I'm more than aware what the real world is like. Having been to some of the places where these asylum seekers hail from, I perfectly understand their rationale for wanting a new life elsewhere. It doesn't excuse the isolated incidents of anti-social behaviour that some of them demonstrate, but they are the exception rather than the rule. The UK has absorbed many many asylum seekers over the centuries, from the Huegenots to East African Asians, all of whom have contributed to our society over time. Let's not tar all of them with the same brush.

flighty wrote:Oh, and as for me being a refugee here in Cyprus, don't think so. I didn't leave Scotland because I was afraid or living in fear......I actually left Scotland because I was fed up with my tax money paying for asylum seekers government benefits - yes, including free rent, giros (free cash for those who don't know) and free cars! I happen to know what I am talking about, I used to work for the DSS (dept of social security) so I know what these people get for zilch!


If you left your beloved country because of a few asylum seekers, you obviously let your life become dominated by one issue. I have no objection to asylum seekers being housed or accessing benefits as this is our duty to support these people under the 1951 UN Convention on refugees. However, I would agree that the system of monitoring asylum seekers is defective and results in those whose asylum application is found to be invalid being able to remain in the country.

flighty wrote:For the rest of you who resorted to throwing insults against Scottish people, get it up ye! I am proud to be Scottish, we are the most loved nation in the world, bar none! Oh, and we are also a nation who stand up for what we believe and we would NEVER let our neighbours march up and take our land. Think on Cypriots, maybe if you had half the courage that the Scots have, your country would be your own and you wouldn't have this chip on your shoulder!


I'd suggest that the Irish are a slightly more loved people than the Scots. I've never seen Irish squaddies cause a drunken riot (a la Scots regiments based in Cyprus) and St. Paddy's day is celebrated worldwide... I don't see St. Andrew similarly venerated. As for letting neighbours march up and take land, I refer you to Scotland's situation as essentially a vassal state of England from 1707 onwards. As for courage, Cypriots have courage in droves my friend, if people in Scotland had suffered as much in recent history, we'd never hear the end of it. Yet Cypriots in their day to day lives have got on with things and made their lives successful. Scotland has an awful lot to learn from the entrepreneurial spirit of Cypriots.

flighty wrote:I first posted in this thread to show my sympathy for Cyprus because of what the Turks did, but forget it - it's wasted on you.

C'mon the TURKS!!!


Can I suggest you walk past the many army bases in Athalassa shouting this... then we'll see just how much courage you have.

flighty wrote:Don't bother replying, you are all very boring and I am shit-canning this forum.

Goodbye!


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Postby cannedmoose » Mon May 09, 2005 7:10 pm

devil wrote:You will have no problem in Edinburgh which has the arguably best medical school and facilities in the UK. It is a very bourgeois city with a low crime rate compared to the more industrial cities like Glasgow, Dundee, Aberdeen etc. and is still small enough to have a human dimension, which is helped by being over 50% unbuilt with parks and even wild hills, even in the inner city. Of course, there are some places better to avoid at night, especially the slum clearance re-housing areas in the outer city. And most of the population speak an understandable form of English, more or less !! :lol: :lol:

Oh, to answer another question, I'm 73!


Agree with everything Dev said, Edinburgh often feels like a northern English city to me... totally different to the hole that is Glasgow next door.

As for your age Dev, explains the Hungarian revolution story! :lol: :lol: Hope I've experienced as much when I hit your age re
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Postby SA » Tue May 10, 2005 2:41 pm

:cry: This is very worrying for me. We are about to repatriate to Cyprus with our young children. The crime in London is ever-growing and we thought Larnaca was the best place, being where my parents are both from originally.
Are the asylum seekers there waiting to be housed? How long are they allowed to stay?
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Postby cannedmoose » Tue May 10, 2005 2:47 pm

SA, having been to Larnaca many times, particularly along the seafront at night-time, I've personally never seen or been hassled by these famed asylum seekers. You've got far more chance of being hassled in London than in Larnaca. I'd take what flighty said with a pinch of salt.
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